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Post #255,481 by lincoln 5/15/06 11:12:10 AM Reply	Your point was not easily discernible Since the growth in jobs in any major US city has been in its ring suburbs or far collar suburbs for the past few decades, planning on having a job "downtown" has the odds against you. Living in the city in one of your old Victorian houses and commuting to the suburbs every day would accomplish ... what? It would still take time and gas to commute every day. Why would I want to do that? Ideally, I'd live and work in the same suburb, but that's pretty close to living in a fantasy world. As it is, the two times I've worked in this area the companies have been located in a suburb and city where the schools are average and below average, compared to an exemplery rating for the schools where I live now. My job in the city is NOT located downtown, but is a good 15 miles away. Moving closer to work was/is an option, but not a very smart one. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #255,488 by drewk 5/15/06 11:41:58 AM Reply	I wasn't suggesting what we should do now I was saying how we got to the untenable position we're currently in. You're absolutely right that there's no good solution. We got this way through our fanatical reliance on cars. We've been so determined to use our cars for everything that we've built a society that requires cars for everything. The big problems is that even if everyone suddenly agreed that sprawl is bad, how do you reverse it? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #255,494 by jbrabeck 5/15/06 12:04:24 PM Reply	Example of car "dependence" When I was stationed in Germany. The building I worked in was located at the back of the kasern (post). The officer I worked for lived in officer housing across the street from the entrance to the kasern. She drove daily to work. Entire distance driven? .5 (half) a mile each way. And she wasn't the only one doing so. We, the enlisted, were either bussed (15 minute, 5 mile drive) or walked (1.5 mile using back streets). A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
Post #255,539 by drewk 5/15/06 4:53:45 PM Reply	I'm not the only one seeing the cycle [link\|http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/dick_feagler/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1147509011181800.xml&coll=2\|Feagler] (You'll need to enter a zip code, birth year and gender.) Things happen, and then they happen all over again. We call it news and often put it on the front page. But news is always just an old story, recycled. We write about the shortage of gas and oil and alternative fuels. We write about finding a new way to do away with gas-guzzling cars. It's the same stuff we were writing about in the '70s. Except now it's now, and now it's worse. ... And now representatives of both political parties are braying the same song they brayed 30 years ago. Thirty years ago. In those 30 years, we have ignored alternative energy. We are still scrabbling for oil in the Middle East. No one from either party has freed us from oil. In the meantime, Brazil has figured out a way to run cars on fuel made from sugar cane. And we're left holding Splenda. And now, it's Groundhog Day again. We have an oil crisis - again. The congressmen are talking about alternative fuels - AGAIN. And nothing much is going to happen - AGAIN. There's one thing he's wrong about, though. Something is going to happen. We're going to pass some more laws to keep the price of gas down. We're going to build further out into the ... gosh I guess we'll need another name past "exurbs". Then we're going to bitch some more about the horrible commute. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #255,544 by folkert 5/15/06 5:51:39 PM Reply	What is wrong with That burb of New York called Los Angeles? Or is that The burb of Los Angeles called New York. Oh wait you are complaining about the Ferry, so it has to be the burb of Los Angeles called Honolulu. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #255,545 by Another Scott 5/15/06 5:58:06 PM Reply	It's all Iraq's fault. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_babel\|Tower of Babel]. "Can't we all just speak the same language^w^w^w^wget along?" Cheers, Scott.

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