Post #255,428
5/14/06 5:06:36 PM
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I admit it. Iraq's a quagmire.
[link|http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom1/Shared%20Documents/Extremist%20Page/full_translation_done_may_3.aspx|Maybe it's time for al Qaeda to cut and run] Excerpts from captured al Qaeda document:
1. It has been proven that the Shiites have a power and influence in Baghdad that cannot be taken lightly, particularly when the power of the Ministries of Interior and Defense is given to them, compared with the power of the mujahidin in Baghdad. During a military confrontation, they will be in a better position because they represent the power of the state along with the power of the popular militias. Most of the mujahidin power lies in surprise attacks (hit and run) or setting up explosive charges and booby traps. This is a different matter than a battle with organized forces that possess machinery and suitable communications networks. Thus, what is fixed in the minds of the Shiite and Sunni population is that the Shiites are stronger in Baghdad and closer to controlling it while the mujahidin (who represent the backbone of the Sunni people) are not considered more than a daily annoyance to the Shiite government. The only power the mujahidin have is what they have already demonstrated in hunting down drifted patrols and taking sniper shots at those patrol members who stray far from their patrols, or planting booby traps among the citizens and hiding among them in the hope that the explosions will injure an American or members of the government. In other words, these activities could be understood as hitting the scared and the hiding ones, which is an image that requires a concerted effort to change, as well as Allah's wisdom... 4. The policy followed by the brothers in Baghdad is a media oriented policy without a clear comprehensive plan to capture an area or an enemy center. Other word, the significance of the strategy of their work is to show in the media that the American and the government do not control the situation and there is resistance against them. This policy dragged us to the type of operations that are attracted to the media, and we go to the streets from time to time for more possible noisy operations which follow the same direction. This direction has large positive effects; however, being preoccupied with it alone delays more important operations such as taking control of some areas, preserving it and assuming power in Baghdad (for example, taking control of a university, a hospital, or a Sunni religious site). At the same time, the Americans and the Government were able to absorb our painful blows, sustain them, compensate their losses with new replacements, and follow strategic plans which allowed them in the past few years to take control of Baghdad as well as other areas one after the other. That is why every year is worse than the previous year as far as the Mujahidin's control and influence over Baghdad... When and if a Sunni units from the National Guard are formed, and begin to compete with the mujahidin and squeeze them, we will have a problem; we either let them go beyond the limits or fight them and risk inciting the Sunnis against us through the Party's and the Committee's channels. [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/iraq.html#20060514|Angelfire link] (turn off Javascript to avoid popups)
[link|http://fnmarlowe-politics-world.blogspot.com/2006/05/i-admit-it-iraqs-quagmire.html|Comment at blogger.com]
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Post #255,431
5/14/06 5:20:15 PM
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I know yer busy but am still awaiting a measured response
to my post in the religious section. I did tske some time to examine your points and replied in detail, if you continue to post and run, only replying to the insults with your own insults I will lose interest in reading what you have to say. Straighten up boy. Nice article btw thanx, bill
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Post #256,166
5/21/06 6:25:06 PM
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Uh, yeah... about that.
For the life of me I can't figure out [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=253201|what your point there is]. It just doesn't parse. It's just a bunch of disjointed knee jerk reactions. Do you really expect me to respond to knee jerk reactions? It all makes about as much sense as Ahmenijad's recent screed.
Actually, I thought you must've been stoned out of your gourd when you posted it. But now you actually expect a response? Try reading it - when you're sober - and then tell me you think there's something to respond to in there.
The only halfway coherent thoughts I could pull out of all that were: one, you've got Bush Derangement Sydrome really bad, and two, you seem to think substance abuse is a victimless crime. When I get around to it, I'll give the whole notion of victimless crimes the righteous pummeling it deserves. Starting with alcohol abuse.
Regarding the Bush Derangement Syndrome: get a grip. Your perception is not the same thing as reality.
As for the rest, could you please rephrase, in more... er... syntactically straightforward terms?
Or, here's another approach. Try formulating *your* way of looking at things into a brief essay. What's *your* fundamental premise? Do you even know? Because *I* can't make out where you're coming from at all.
As Winston Churchill would say, your pudding has no theme.
---------------------------------------------------------------- 4 out of 5 Iraqis choose democracy! If you don't like my posts, don't click on them. Never mind the AP. Here's the real Iraq reporting: [link|http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/|http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/] "The period of debate is closed. Arms, as the last resort, decide the contest." - Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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Post #256,213
5/22/06 8:37:56 AM
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thyank you for proving my point
nothing to say? Attack the messenger.Funny that BP had no problem with my post but pointed out that I was wasting time. thanx, bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #256,218
5/22/06 9:08:25 AM
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Well, he is a very disingenuous debator....
He exposes himself when he defines his own terms, because he can not defend them. (This is why he likes to cite sources and add in his own commentary.)
I also like the fact that he's not will to concede any issue where he may be wrong. (In true bot style.)
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Post #255,435
5/14/06 5:57:41 PM
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That just stinks of a fabricated document . . .
. . or a document intended to be captured to mislead. I'd give its chances of being legitimate at about 2%.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #255,442
5/14/06 9:58:19 PM
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you would probably be wrong
dont forget el quierda is just a small part of the insurgency. Secular baathists, shiites, turkmen and different tribal folks make up most of it. The Emir of Iraq title is as useful as Exalted Leader of the KKK. More honorable than useful except when getting to the top of the line at the drinks table. thanx, bill
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Post #255,444
5/14/06 10:07:22 PM
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What I'm looking at is not the names . . .
. . but that it seems to be phrased like CIA think, not like a bunch of fanatical jihadists.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #255,474
5/15/06 8:17:57 AM
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probably a transliteration
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
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Post #255,450
5/14/06 10:49:34 PM
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Hard to say
I would actually guess it's propaganda by selection, that is the US military picked through the piles of documents they found to find the handful they wanted to make public here.
Al-Queda has had a big problem in Iraq because there are so many insurgent groups with differing goals. It appears part of the violence between insurgent groups in the past year was Al-Queda trying to set it self as the dominant organization, something they seem to have failed at.
In response, Al-Queda seems to have redirected some of their activity out of Iraq. Iraq is too important and hitting US targets too easy for them to leave entirly, but they are putting more money and time into non-Iraq operations.
In light of that, most of what appears in the letter makes sense. Of course, if Marlow thinks a group of suicide bombers are going to cut and run because the going get rough, he is being more delusional then usual.
Jay
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Post #255,459
5/15/06 2:14:38 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #255458 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=255458|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #255,567
5/15/06 11:13:50 PM
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I dunno about fabrication, but if US were
killing 30+ Iraqi every other day in the spectacular manner that AlQ is using, we'de be in even more shit than we're now. Solidarity with fellow Muslims will only go so far when you're treated like a Jew.
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Post #255,616
5/16/06 3:02:55 PM
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NO!
We got this via British Intelligence who got this from an Italian diplomat who was once in Niger when Saddam was trying to buy aluminum tubes to construct nuclear weapons. Honest.
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #255,482
5/15/06 11:16:36 AM
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Scary thought.....
if Al-Queada isn't behind the death squads in Iraq..... who is?
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Post #255,489
5/15/06 11:45:30 AM
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the militias under plausable deniability of the government
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Post #255,515
5/15/06 1:38:27 PM
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Better to ask who isn't
Last time I checked, I was not personally funding my own militia in Iraq. Except insofar as my tax money is being redirected to that goal.
Jay
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Post #255,506
5/15/06 1:04:09 PM
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If it hadn't been for the liberal media...
...we might have won in Vietnam as well. After all, we kicked their asses in the Tet Offensive.
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