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by pwhysall
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5/12/06 9:38:38 AM
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4x4s aren't uneconomical per se, and it's disingenuous to wibble about "gas-guzzling 4x4s" when something like an X3 gets similar fuel economy to a regular family saloon.

Tax gas high enough, and people will become unemployed. The whole "raise fuel taxes to get people to go to work in bio-diesel powered buses" idea is an attempt to wish things into existence. Joe Schmoe on the M25 in his Pug 205 quite simply cannot afford anything else. LPG cars are expensive. Hybrids are expensive (and crap).

No-one needs a Hummer. True.

No-one needs a 10mbps internet connection, either. I've got one, though.

4x4s are annoying for a zillion reasons (owned by idiot drivers, can't see over/through them at roundabouts, noisy, ugly) but I wouldn't ever stop someone from owning one. I'd reserve the right to call them a cock for buying such a stupid vehicle, though.

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Post #255,227
by jbrabeck
5/12/06 9:51:28 AM
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In Europe with US. European vehicles are half the size with corresponding better fuel economy. And then compare gas prices. You're paying double or more than what we pay.

Who needs a 5.9l vehicle for the 10km drive to work? My little 1.0 li Geo works fine. The people buying the monster vehicles are already paying higher prices for the vehicle. Therefore the arguement that they couldn't afford a vehicle with better fuel economy is hogwash.

If we paid the same price for gas that you do, then we would NOT be drivng 3t vehicles that get 10-15 mpg.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
     Republicans plan to pass tax cut extension. - (Another Scott) - (37) - May 10, 2006, 08:10:41 AM EDT
         And the Seattle Times had the headline today - (tuberculosis) - (6) - May 10, 2006, 11:59:24 AM EDT
             Because wage growth is a laggard in recoveries - (bepatient) - (5) - May 10, 2006, 12:52:13 PM EDT
                 Doesn't look so rosy in the BLS numbers. 5 kB .img x 2 - (Another Scott) - (3) - May 10, 2006, 01:16:02 PM EDT
                     Because they include employer's cost of healthcare - (bepatient) - (2) - May 10, 2006, 01:20:46 PM EDT
                         But drag the numbers UP, nicht wahr? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 10, 2006, 01:37:01 PM EDT
                             Not necessarily, though at face you would think so. - (bepatient) - May 10, 2006, 02:02:16 PM EDT
                 We shall see - so far I'm still on the down side of the curv - (tuberculosis) - May 12, 2006, 01:27:11 AM EDT
         I would rather cut the gasoline tax, 20% was equitable at $1 - (boxley) - (29) - May 10, 2006, 02:30:21 PM EDT
             Posted on the pumps in California - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - May 10, 2006, 03:41:18 PM EDT
                 blech, per gallon not percentage, link - (boxley) - (3) - May 10, 2006, 03:44:15 PM EDT
                     Hmm - are the signs Andrew sees incorrect? - (SpiceWare) - (2) - May 10, 2006, 04:21:18 PM EDT
                         Box was conceding the point. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - May 10, 2006, 04:31:10 PM EDT
                         The map says "effective" tax . . - (Andrew Grygus) - May 10, 2006, 04:33:33 PM EDT
             Naw - I think higher prices are good for the economy - (tuberculosis) - (23) - May 12, 2006, 01:31:03 AM EDT
                 "Electrical engineers are smoking Ferrari at the track" - (pwhysall) - (22) - May 12, 2006, 02:54:54 AM EDT
                     There's more to life than top speed. - (Another Scott) - (21) - May 12, 2006, 08:26:37 AM EDT
                         Hummers weren't born in the UK - (pwhysall) - (20) - May 12, 2006, 09:18:43 AM EDT
                             It may not stop you from driving, but may spur carpools - (imqwerky) - (16) - May 12, 2006, 09:26:53 AM EDT
                                 No, it won't. - (pwhysall) - (15) - May 12, 2006, 09:33:15 AM EDT
                                     What?!? - (jbrabeck) - May 12, 2006, 09:53:28 AM EDT
                                     Cultural blind spot - (drewk) - (13) - May 12, 2006, 10:04:42 AM EDT
                                         Blimey. - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 12, 2006, 10:11:53 AM EDT
                                             Yup, that's something you missed - (drewk) - (1) - May 12, 2006, 12:14:11 PM EDT
                                                 Yes, there is still a difference. - (Andrew Grygus) - May 13, 2006, 08:32:44 PM EDT
                                         It translates to "the next town over" - (jb4) - May 12, 2006, 11:59:15 AM EDT
                                         Baloney - (lincoln) - (7) - May 13, 2006, 07:58:38 PM EDT
                                             You just proved my point - (drewk) - (6) - May 15, 2006, 09:07:50 AM EDT
                                                 Your point was not easily discernible - (lincoln) - (5) - May 15, 2006, 11:12:10 AM EDT
                                                     I wasn't suggesting what we should do now - (drewk) - (4) - May 15, 2006, 11:41:58 AM EDT
                                                         Example of car "dependence" - (jbrabeck) - (3) - May 15, 2006, 12:04:24 PM EDT
                                                             I'm not the only one seeing the cycle - (drewk) - (2) - May 15, 2006, 04:53:45 PM EDT
                                                                 What is wrong with - (folkert) - (1) - May 15, 2006, 05:51:39 PM EDT
                                                                     It's all Iraq's fault. - (Another Scott) - May 15, 2006, 05:58:06 PM EDT
                                         Lancaster. - (Andrew Grygus) - May 13, 2006, 08:40:00 PM EDT
                             Not quite - (jbrabeck) - (2) - May 12, 2006, 09:29:51 AM EDT
                                 The Usual Stories - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 12, 2006, 09:38:38 AM EDT
                                     Compare the average vehicle - (jbrabeck) - May 12, 2006, 09:51:28 AM EDT

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