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Post #254,959 by Another Scott 5/10/06 1:16:02 PM Reply	Doesn't look so rosy in the BLS numbers. 5 kB .img x 2 [link\|http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CIS1010000000000Q\|Bureau of Labor Statistics - 3 month Percentage Change - All Civilian Workers - Seasonally Adjusted] [image\|http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/CIS1010000000000Q_54119_1147280990119.gif\|0\|BLS Chart\|300\|600] Similarly, for private industry, we have this chart: [image\|http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/CIS2010000000000Q_54218_1147281158260.gif\|0\|BLS Chart 2\|300\|600] There's been a long-term trend down over the past 5+ years and it'll take more than a one-month or one-quarter blip to convince me that it has changed. :-( Cheers, Scott.
Post #254,960 by bepatient 5/10/06 1:20:46 PM Reply	Because they include employer's cost of healthcare which is going to drag that number significantly Includes wages, salaries, and employer costs for employee benefits. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #254,962 by Another Scott 5/10/06 1:37:01 PM Reply	But drag the numbers UP, nicht wahr?
Post #254,963 by bepatient 5/10/06 2:02:16 PM Reply	Not necessarily, though at face you would think so. Healthcare benefits and other benefits have been getting hammered over the past 2 years..especially if you consider pensioner benefits in those calculations. For instance, to offset healthcare increases (which have actually slowed a bit) many employers have stopped some other benefits altogether...like emergency assistance programs, legal advise programs, family crisis programs, etc.... In the early 90s when I was the "salary budget guy" in my corp, our benefit estimate as a percentage of wages was 33%. The numbers I see now in most calculations is 26-28%. This is due to 1) a shift in the amount of copay to the employee and 2) the elimation of other benefits. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

Republicans plan to pass tax cut extension. - (Another Scott) - (37) - May 10, 2006, 08:10:41 AM EDT

And the Seattle Times had the headline today - (tuberculosis) - (6) - May 10, 2006, 11:59:24 AM EDT

Because wage growth is a laggard in recoveries - (bepatient) - (5) - May 10, 2006, 12:52:13 PM EDT

Doesn't look so rosy in the BLS numbers. 5 kB .img x 2 - (Another Scott) - (3) - May 10, 2006, 01:16:02 PM EDT

Because they include employer's cost of healthcare - (bepatient) - (2) - May 10, 2006, 01:20:46 PM EDT

But drag the numbers UP, nicht wahr? -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 10, 2006, 01:37:01 PM EDT

Not necessarily, though at face you would think so. - (bepatient) - May 10, 2006, 02:02:16 PM EDT

We shall see - so far I'm still on the down side of the curv - (tuberculosis) - May 12, 2006, 01:27:11 AM EDT

I would rather cut the gasoline tax, 20% was equitable at $1 - (boxley) - (29) - May 10, 2006, 02:30:21 PM EDT

Posted on the pumps in California - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - May 10, 2006, 03:41:18 PM EDT

blech, per gallon not percentage, link - (boxley) - (3) - May 10, 2006, 03:44:15 PM EDT

Hmm - are the signs Andrew sees incorrect? - (SpiceWare) - (2) - May 10, 2006, 04:21:18 PM EDT

Box was conceding the point. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - May 10, 2006, 04:31:10 PM EDT

The map says "effective" tax . . - (Andrew Grygus) - May 10, 2006, 04:33:33 PM EDT

Naw - I think higher prices are good for the economy - (tuberculosis) - (23) - May 12, 2006, 01:31:03 AM EDT

"Electrical engineers are smoking Ferrari at the track" - (pwhysall) - (22) - May 12, 2006, 02:54:54 AM EDT

There's more to life than top speed. - (Another Scott) - (21) - May 12, 2006, 08:26:37 AM EDT

Hummers weren't born in the UK - (pwhysall) - (20) - May 12, 2006, 09:18:43 AM EDT

It may not stop you from driving, but may spur carpools - (imqwerky) - (16) - May 12, 2006, 09:26:53 AM EDT

No, it won't. - (pwhysall) - (15) - May 12, 2006, 09:33:15 AM EDT

What?!? - (jbrabeck) - May 12, 2006, 09:53:28 AM EDT

Cultural blind spot - (drewk) - (13) - May 12, 2006, 10:04:42 AM EDT

Blimey. - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 12, 2006, 10:11:53 AM EDT

Yup, that's something you missed - (drewk) - (1) - May 12, 2006, 12:14:11 PM EDT

Yes, there is still a difference. - (Andrew Grygus) - May 13, 2006, 08:32:44 PM EDT

It translates to "the next town over" - (jb4) - May 12, 2006, 11:59:15 AM EDT

Baloney - (lincoln) - (7) - May 13, 2006, 07:58:38 PM EDT

You just proved my point - (drewk) - (6) - May 15, 2006, 09:07:50 AM EDT

Your point was not easily discernible - (lincoln) - (5) - May 15, 2006, 11:12:10 AM EDT

I wasn't suggesting what we should do now - (drewk) - (4) - May 15, 2006, 11:41:58 AM EDT

Example of car "dependence" - (jbrabeck) - (3) - May 15, 2006, 12:04:24 PM EDT

I'm not the only one seeing the cycle - (drewk) - (2) - May 15, 2006, 04:53:45 PM EDT

What is wrong with - (folkert) - (1) - May 15, 2006, 05:51:39 PM EDT

It's all Iraq's fault. - (Another Scott) - May 15, 2006, 05:58:06 PM EDT

Lancaster. - (Andrew Grygus) - May 13, 2006, 08:40:00 PM EDT

Not quite - (jbrabeck) - (2) - May 12, 2006, 09:29:51 AM EDT

The Usual Stories - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 12, 2006, 09:38:38 AM EDT

Compare the average vehicle - (jbrabeck) - May 12, 2006, 09:51:28 AM EDT

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