Post #2,549
7/21/01 11:37:42 AM
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Aw, it's all just about politics.
Or sex, or something. Right, Clinton apologists?
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Post #2,618
7/23/01 9:08:33 AM
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Big difference with Archer
I hadn't heard about this case until just Friday on NPR. But if I understand it right, one of the tabloids accused him of going to a prostitute. I'm assuming this is illegal in the U.K.? Anyway, he sued the tabloid for slander and got a huge settlement. When it was revealed he had done it, and got people to fabricate evidence in his defense, he was fried.
Now the big difference between this and Clinton was that he initiated the court proceedings, and wanted money for them revealing the truth. The similarity, of course, is that the world would be a better place if both had been able to say some combination of "So what?" and "None of your damn business."
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Post #2,635
7/23/01 11:02:06 AM
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Better place? Oh, Pu-leeeeze!
Without these cases some lawyer might not have been able to afford his new Farrari, which would have caused layoffs among the factory workers in Italy, and small Italian children would have to go without shoes.
See, it's all for the children.
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Post #2,639
7/23/01 11:38:48 AM
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That might be a difference, but...
Doesn't matter if I sue you, or you sue me.
If you lie on the stand, its perjury.
It don't matter if the case ain't strong,
If you lie to refute it, its just plain wrong!
Both Archer and Clinton lied, its easy to see,
Which caused them both to be found guilty.
Their actions before were just plain bad,
But lying under oath, that's sad.
Addison
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Post #2,642
7/23/01 11:50:01 AM
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He went to jail for perjury...
...and attempting to pervert the course of justice.
Perjury, because he lied when under oath.
Attempting to pervert the course of justice, because he tried to bribe someone to lie for him.
Judges over here take a very dim view of people trying to take the piss, and Archer got exactly what he deserved.
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Peter
Shill For Hire
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Post #2,679
7/24/01 9:08:53 AM
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I actually agree what he did was worse than Clinton
While I still say Clinton broke the law by lying under oath, it was about something that should never have been asked. The "Right" thing for him to have done IMO would have been to say so, as in, "It's none of your business." Of course, then he should have tried to change whatever laws allowed people to think it was their business. But that would have cost him points with feminist organizations ...
For Archer to initiate a lawsuit and collect damages against a newspaper -- even if it is only a tabloid -- is much worse.
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Post #2,821
7/25/01 8:27:23 PM
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Close, but no cigar.
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Post #2,829
7/25/01 9:41:56 PM
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Boooo! *grin*
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Post #2,828
7/25/01 9:41:25 PM
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Nah, they were stupid.
He didn't 'lie'. He was a weasel; they allowed him to define sex, through 'clarifications'. It was immoral, sure. (in every sense of the word)
Was it deception? Yah. Perjury? Nah. He didn't lie...
*sigh*
Lawyers.
I am PROUD that IANAL.
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Post #2,867
7/26/01 9:29:17 AM
7/26/01 11:23:13 AM
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Back-translation... (Now with my first ever Edit:)
SkipJoeRic: I am PROUD that IANAL. From _A Distant Mirror_ (by Barbara W. Tuchman; Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York 1978), my own translation from the Swedish version (_En Fjärran Spegel_; Bokförlaget Atlantis AB, Stockholm, 1981 and 1994): Doctors were respected, lawyers seen with suspicion and contempt. The sentiment is not, as one might perhaps otherwise think, a recent phenomenon. [ Edit:] Duh! Forgot to add the sub-title of her work: _ The Stormy 14th Century_ Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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July 26, 2001, 11:23:13 AM EDT
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Post #2,874
7/26/01 10:24:34 AM
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Of course.
People are ALL weasels, and shits.
Life under lawyers is what everyone deserves; we are the ones that put lawerly fucks into positions of power, by using the shits to get what they want, ourselves., regardless of what we know is right and wrong.
This goes far back into the dawn of time -what else are priests, wizards, witches, and everyone that sets themselves as intermediaries of the 'divine', but lawyers set to gain advantages of God and demon alike over thier fellow man? What else are the 'laws' preached by those shitheads, but a way to be superior over others by following shallow rites?
I may believe in God, and Jesus (I have good reasons, yes, 'spooky' reasons), but religion disgusts me as much as politics and lawyers. This state of affairs IS the human condition, and has been as long as we've been able to manipulate symbols.
From a (feh!) human position, if hypocrisy is ignored, Clinton is to be 'admired' as an outstanding example of humanity.
What is Jesus but a pro-bono lawyer set to intervene with Judgement?
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Post #2,907
7/27/01 2:56:17 AM
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Thou sayest. Verily.
Something buggy there is about the homo-sap alpha experiment.. Most specimens so fear the Unknown (fucking near Everything, that is, 'cept maybe a few physics er 'laws' which you Can't break..) - that they will invent an Authority always! from Day 1.
All choices devolve to just the two:
1) A great time Now, with ups&downs. No point in fearing accidents - they just happen.
/ After: let the Unknown handle the post-life experience. It's managed so far.
*OR*
"Give all your Fears to ___. She will make you comfy. Here's the rulez and the price:"
2) A pissant existence directed by folks in robes (lawyer- or theo- or medico-). Daily fear of offending the Authority: that offense to be paid by intentional accidents now, maybe.. but guaranteed torture 'after'! - for any Disobedience, of course.
/ After: if you toed the line AND yer one o' the Lucky Chosen ones, you get to spend a rather infinite period Adoring the same guy/gal (who might.. just put you in that rat cage for the sheer Hell of it, anyway. No appeal, natch)
3) There is no 3).
What a species! Ya gotta presume this here all is a Humor Planet - *but everyone's too afraid to laugh. Nothing else makes any sense - just makes employment for the robed ones!
Now That's Revealed Wisdom! \ufffd \ufffd \ufffd
(* do we know the author of that one? Think it went ~ God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh) Geo. Carlin would have said it, but he wasn't the first.
Oops - gotta change my robe.
(May have to immolate myself tomorrow for breaking security.)
Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle..
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Post #2,923
7/27/01 8:58:07 AM
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I think the quote was Voltaire -- one of the Frogs anyway
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Post #2,827
7/25/01 9:38:49 PM
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So about that slander settlement
Do they get the money back?
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