Post #254,792
5/8/06 5:35:23 PM
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More really great design work.
Seems Outlook 2000 (without Exchange) has a maximum file size of 2-Gig. Amusingly, when it reaches that limit it just quietly goes off the deep end and crashes. Outlook won't open any more. Of course the client wants his 23,834 stored items back (well, a lot of them, anyway) as well as access to incoming email.
Fortunately there's a recovery tool that shaves a bit off the data file so the Inbox recovery tool can do it's job without crashing, you just have to sit around for a couple of hours waiting and then rejigger the account so things work right - about 3 hours total.
Thank you Billy, business has been a bit slow lately.
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Post #254,793
5/8/06 5:43:40 PM
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Office 2003 (I think) no longer has this limitation.
XP (AKA 2002) might or might not.
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Post #254,794
5/8/06 5:48:22 PM
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Mail will be lost.
Outlook cannot open a .pst file of anything greater than 2Gbyte.
The recovery tool simply trims the file down to a size where Outlook will open it. Anything cut off is lost.
Been there, done that, had the earache off the user.
Peter
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Post #254,795
5/8/06 6:02:55 PM
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I understand that, but I lucked out.
The last thing they received was a series of emails with very big attachments and they knew where those came from. I only had to shave off 10 megs so little pain this time.
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Post #254,816
5/8/06 10:03:07 PM
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Anything later than the 2000 release won't let this happen
They stop allowing adds to personal folders at 1.8 gig. (I thought they put that limit in for the 2000 release, sucks to have my memory) Outlook 03 allows as many adds as you want, it has storage supposedly in the terabyte range for personal folders.
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Post #254,827
5/9/06 1:43:59 AM
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2002 will...
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Post #254,834
5/9/06 9:47:29 AM
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Not if it's patched with all updates
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Post #254,859
5/9/06 1:50:49 PM
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Bet your job on that?
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Post #254,911
5/10/06 12:18:00 AM
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No bets but I've saved several pst files that hit 1.8
From my hands on experience, since Outlook 2000 the freeze on adding to pst files after hitting 1.8 gig has been pretty steady. Exceptions may happen but I haven't had to truncate a pst once since Outlook 2000/2002 got widespread.
The 1.8 gig limit "fix" is, for those of you following and not yet aware, a response to a limitation of MS Access which is the DB used for personal folders/pst files in Outlook. The absolute size limit in the version of Access used is 2 gig (yet another MS "we'll never need more than 640k" address space decision). A file hitting/exceeding that can sometomes be saved by truncation but this often fails and the entire damn thing is trash. MS put in a fix in Outlook 2000/2002 (patches) that would not allow any adds to the DB/pst file once it hit 1.8 gig.
If it can't reach the 2 gig auto-trash size, it's gonna be saveable most times. (every time, in my experience)
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Post #254,932
5/10/06 10:59:13 AM
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Funny thing is that Exchange uses Access as well.
A different version, mind you, but it's still Access. :P
That might have changed with the most recent version of Exchange. When I was still there, they were talking about dumping the JET DB engine for SQL Server, but it was still talk at that point.
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Post #254,954
5/10/06 12:49:01 PM
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No it doesn't.
At least as of Exchange 4, it uses the same database format and engine as SQL Server.
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Post #255,003
5/10/06 7:24:16 PM
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WOOO... EVEN Better!
NOT.
That is like putting a huge building on a balsa wood foundation.
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Post #255,023
5/11/06 2:25:37 AM
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Actually Exchange uses ESE (aka Jet Blue)
Where Jet Blue is not the same as Jet Red, the engine behind Access.
[link|http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3TechRef/764d8347-a99b-408a-a774-f1263797c3b0.mspx?mfr=true|http://www.microsoft...3b0.mspx?mfr=true]
I think MS tried moving to SQL Server while deveoping some version of Exchange and gave up because of performance issues.
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Post #255,027
5/11/06 2:59:21 AM
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Ta for info
Stashed in my brain bank for future reference.
Peter
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Post #255,056
5/11/06 10:58:58 AM
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I didn't know that Jet Blue crashed that often
I'll avoid that airline in the future. :-)
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Post #255,065
5/11/06 11:48:28 AM
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More similar than you'd think.
Jet Blue and Jet Red both came from the same base technology. There have been tweaks, of course, to make Jet Blue more "enterprise" worthy - but they're both the same basic design.
I spent some time working with the exchange group when I was at Microsoft...
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Post #255,024
5/11/06 2:34:45 AM
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PST doesn't use Access (Jet Red) AFAIK
If it did, that would actually be a useful thing, as one would have a snowball's chance of extracting data from them without MAPI or some 3rd party reverse engineered library or app.
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Post #255,039
5/11/06 8:30:11 AM
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There goes me assuming again.
Back in the Outlook 98 days when Access had a 2 gig limit and pst files had the same limit, I just assumed there was a relation. A little research shows (according to MS) it was an ANSI versus Unicode problem.
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Post #254,819
5/8/06 10:53:16 PM
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Me boss ran into that one a while back...
...me shirked because I've enuf problems getting my own software working without worrying about fixing software from a company that has minions and billions.
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Post #254,823
5/8/06 11:52:02 PM
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I do that all the time
Boss of company that I do Linux consulting at:
Him: My home email isn't working.
Me: Sorry, you KNOW I use linux and have no idea what your problem is.
I can't even envision your screen.
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Post #254,824
5/9/06 12:07:01 AM
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Alas, I know the screens all too well . . .
. . even though we use only OS/2 in-house.
I remember a client being here for something or other when I got a call from another client and walked that person up and down through the menus until their problem was solved.
When I was done the one sitting here exclaimed, "My God, you did that without even looking at a computer!"
Of course I can do the same with Linux, but only the command line since I rarely ever see a Linux GUI - the Linux desktop just isn't useful for my clients yet.
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Post #254,831
5/9/06 2:38:21 AM
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Just think, someday you'll be able to forget all that
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Post #254,837
5/9/06 10:37:41 AM
5/9/06 10:42:01 AM
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Yeah, like I've already forgotten about half what I knew . .
. . about MP/M and Concurrent CP/M.
Fortunately I've forgotten almost everything I knew about Apple DOS, but I didn't know all that much. I converted my Franklin to CP/M-80 with 8" floppy disks in just a few months.
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Post #254,838
5/9/06 10:48:53 AM
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Scary thought
What if human long-term memory is write-once?
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Post #254,839
5/9/06 11:10:34 AM
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it is, did you forget?
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Post #254,850
5/9/06 12:24:46 PM
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No, it is just in Off-Line Storage somewhere.
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Post #254,852
5/9/06 12:58:08 PM
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Now where did I put that off-line storage ...
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Post #254,855
5/9/06 1:18:57 PM
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I think there is a receptacle for it in the bathroom....
jb4
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Post #254,857
5/9/06 1:26:30 PM
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I just KNEW the Good Humor Man was behind this...
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Post #254,862
5/9/06 2:43:49 PM
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This is an unusual bit of self-realization!
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Post #254,863
5/9/06 2:51:21 PM
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An experiment in Boredom Control run by the Jennmeister?
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Post #254,872
5/9/06 5:23:48 PM
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Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me.
LRPD is 3-for-3 on this thread so far!
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Post #254,910
5/10/06 12:05:05 AM
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These aren't the LRPDs you're looking for. Move along.
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