IT's a commodity. The eggs are core competencies. They don't get outsourced. IT does.
Putting all the eggs in one basket would be outsourcing your core business AND IT AND management.
Outsourcing saves less than claimed
- (lincoln)
- (97)
- April 13, 2006, 02:53:29 PM EDT
This is going to end up on a lot of corporate desks.
- (imqwerky)
- (92)
- April 13, 2006, 08:00:27 PM EDT
Won't change anything
- (ben_tilly)
- (91)
- April 13, 2006, 08:14:51 PM EDT
s/(mis)/(mc)/g
-NT
- (boxley)
- April 13, 2006, 08:23:45 PM EDT
all true
- (cforde)
- (89)
- April 14, 2006, 01:36:34 AM EDT
Assume that the truth is somewhere in between
- (bepatient)
- (88)
- April 14, 2006, 09:48:51 AM EDT
That could still be mismanagement
- (ben_tilly)
- (87)
- April 14, 2006, 12:32:14 PM EDT
Likely that internally would be mismanaged as well, then.
- (bepatient)
- (86)
- April 14, 2006, 01:09:41 PM EDT
Outsourcing adds an extra layer of complexity.
- (imric)
- (8)
- April 14, 2006, 01:15:39 PM EDT
Possibly. But not if done correctly
- (bepatient)
- (7)
- April 14, 2006, 03:32:34 PM EDT
The right people can succeed no matter what
- (ben_tilly)
- April 14, 2006, 05:21:58 PM EDT
No matter what.
- (imric)
- (5)
- April 14, 2006, 05:44:31 PM EDT
And I made the clarification earlier
- (bepatient)
- (4)
- April 14, 2006, 06:06:47 PM EDT
We also have onsite staff.
- (imric)
- (3)
- April 14, 2006, 08:29:36 PM EDT
The overall point
- (bepatient)
- (2)
- April 14, 2006, 08:58:44 PM EDT
But ONLy if they are unwilling to reorganize to a more
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 14, 2006, 09:03:34 PM EDT
There are ALOT of those, you >do< know this.
-NT
- (bepatient)
- April 14, 2006, 09:05:39 PM EDT
Mostly agreed
- (ben_tilly)
- (76)
- April 14, 2006, 08:46:00 PM EDT
Aye.
-NT
- (imric)
- April 14, 2006, 05:46:04 PM EDT
Fully agree on core competence
- (bepatient)
- April 14, 2006, 06:08:57 PM EDT
so what are we trying to optimize?
- (cforde)
- (73)
- April 14, 2006, 06:35:59 PM EDT
Bob Lewis at InfoWorld actually has a good one for this
- (drewk)
- (72)
- April 14, 2006, 10:11:58 PM EDT
<advocate mode="devil">OTOH</advocate>
- (imric)
- (71)
- April 14, 2006, 10:53:25 PM EDT
I think it's perspective and definitions
- (drewk)
- (18)
- April 15, 2006, 08:59:45 PM EDT
And sales, warehousing, inventory
- (imric)
- (17)
- April 15, 2006, 09:27:51 PM EDT
Do you have plumbers on staff?
- (drewk)
- (3)
- April 15, 2006, 09:43:59 PM EDT
And when IT is as dependable as plumbing
- (imric)
- (2)
- April 15, 2006, 10:31:03 PM EDT
It's ironic that you'd call plumbing "dependable"
- (ben_tilly)
- (1)
- April 16, 2006, 03:25:25 PM EDT
You do have a point there
- (imric)
- April 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM EDT
Example
- (bepatient)
- (12)
- April 16, 2006, 03:12:53 PM EDT
You know me better than to
- (imric)
- (11)
- April 16, 2006, 03:53:13 PM EDT
Who said anything about not having onsite staff?
- (bepatient)
- (10)
- April 16, 2006, 09:21:36 PM EDT
Failure financially.
- (imric)
- (9)
- April 16, 2006, 10:14:57 PM EDT
No more likely
- (bepatient)
- (8)
- April 17, 2006, 12:55:08 AM EDT
Nonsense.
- (imric)
- (7)
- April 17, 2006, 07:09:09 AM EDT
IT is a commodity.
- (pwhysall)
- (3)
- April 17, 2006, 07:56:31 AM EDT
Wait for this pendulum to swing back
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 17, 2006, 09:02:11 AM EDT
All what eggs now?
- (pwhysall)
- April 17, 2006, 09:37:49 AM EDT
What you say is only somewhat true
- (ben_tilly)
- April 18, 2006, 01:08:46 AM EDT
All of your argument
- (bepatient)
- (2)
- April 17, 2006, 08:16:39 AM EDT
Mmmmhmmm
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 17, 2006, 08:58:05 AM EDT
Just simply wrong on many levels
- (bepatient)
- April 17, 2006, 12:20:11 PM EDT
Jumping in late
- (danreck)
- (51)
- April 18, 2006, 04:28:30 PM EDT
And in line with this
- (bepatient)
- (48)
- April 18, 2006, 05:41:42 PM EDT
Nor are they likely
- (imric)
- (38)
- April 18, 2006, 05:57:35 PM EDT
Keep reaching
- (bepatient)
- (37)
- April 18, 2006, 06:10:28 PM EDT
Step 1 - steal all the underwear. Step 3. Profit.
- (imric)
- April 18, 2006, 06:32:22 PM EDT
Come on Bill
- (danreck)
- (35)
- April 18, 2006, 11:56:24 PM EDT
Sigh
- (bepatient)
- (34)
- April 19, 2006, 09:37:20 AM EDT
Without IT, the business will fail
- (imric)
- (33)
- April 19, 2006, 09:43:15 AM EDT
You continue to make a blanket statement that is not true
- (bepatient)
- (32)
- April 19, 2006, 09:52:36 AM EDT
Mmmhmmm
- (imric)
- (31)
- April 19, 2006, 10:16:30 AM EDT
Re: Mmmhmmm
- (pwhysall)
- (16)
- April 19, 2006, 10:50:57 AM EDT
Unless more management = more efficient
- (imric)
- (12)
- April 19, 2006, 11:18:44 AM EDT
branched outsourcing costs more (new thread)
- (boxley)
- April 19, 2006, 11:26:06 AM EDT
That clears that up, then.
- (pwhysall)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 02:42:04 PM EDT
*shrug*
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 03:15:50 PM EDT
you havnt even attempted to address my branched reply
-NT
- (boxley)
- April 19, 2006, 03:28:08 PM EDT
Skip, YOU haven't been reading
- (ben_tilly)
- (7)
- April 19, 2006, 05:36:54 PM EDT
On the contrary!
- (imric)
- (5)
- April 19, 2006, 06:02:13 PM EDT
look at SAP, Oracle Financials, PeopleSoft
- (boxley)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 06:28:38 PM EDT
There's stuff like Sarbanes-Oxley too...
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- April 19, 2006, 06:53:45 PM EDT
A new employee is coming Monday...
- (ben_tilly)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 11:50:50 PM EDT
1 hour. Our procedures have it set up the day before.
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 20, 2006, 07:33:56 AM EDT
If you don't have good procedures and people...
- (ben_tilly)
- April 20, 2006, 10:39:09 AM EDT
....
-NT
- (imric)
- April 19, 2006, 06:02:35 PM EDT
They're using different definitions of efficiency.
- (Another Scott)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 11:23:38 AM EDT
Stop trying to spoil my fun :-)
-NT
- (bepatient)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 12:32:20 PM EDT
And mine! :-D
-NT
- (imric)
- April 19, 2006, 01:09:46 PM EDT
Before this right shifts anymore
- (danreck)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 10:58:37 AM EDT
Too true
- (bepatient)
- April 19, 2006, 11:10:29 AM EDT
No they aren't. They are oversimplifications
- (bepatient)
- (11)
- April 19, 2006, 11:07:58 AM EDT
Straw men marching?
- (imric)
- (10)
- April 19, 2006, 11:29:51 AM EDT
You are off your rocker
- (bepatient)
- (9)
- April 19, 2006, 12:30:16 PM EDT
And what delivers that service? Robots?
- (imric)
- (8)
- April 19, 2006, 01:03:08 PM EDT
Maybe
- (bepatient)
- (7)
- April 19, 2006, 03:09:46 PM EDT
As long as you get it in a timely fashion,
- (imric)
- (6)
- April 19, 2006, 03:25:31 PM EDT
Ah, we've taken the first step, grasshopper.
- (bepatient)
- (5)
- April 19, 2006, 03:44:17 PM EDT
Cost <> price.
- (imric)
- (4)
- April 19, 2006, 04:52:00 PM EDT
I have a hard time agreeing with any of this
- (bepatient)
- (3)
- April 19, 2006, 06:03:32 PM EDT
So dollars are all. The spreadsheet is king.
- (imric)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 10:43:42 PM EDT
Not everything.
- (bepatient)
- (1)
- April 20, 2006, 12:44:05 AM EDT
roundandroundandroundandround
-NT
- (imric)
- April 20, 2006, 07:09:38 AM EDT
Plants
- (tuberculosis)
- (8)
- April 18, 2006, 06:22:57 PM EDT
No it's not
- (drewk)
- (2)
- April 18, 2006, 07:43:00 PM EDT
If we are talking about offshoring, you are right.
-NT
- (bepatient)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 09:06:01 AM EDT
True
-NT
- (drewk)
- April 19, 2006, 07:51:40 PM EDT
And one more time.
- (bepatient)
- (4)
- April 19, 2006, 08:59:53 AM EDT
Where did I say offshore?
- (tuberculosis)
- (3)
- April 19, 2006, 09:10:16 PM EDT
Re: Where did I say offshore?
- (bepatient)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 09:34:32 PM EDT
Ah - well that is the crux of the offshoring problem
- (tuberculosis)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 10:08:14 PM EDT
Understood...
- (bepatient)
- April 20, 2006, 12:45:24 AM EDT
Me too
- (broomberg)
- (1)
- April 18, 2006, 10:37:18 PM EDT
Or maybe youhave the data
- (bepatient)
- April 19, 2006, 09:12:03 AM EDT
If it doesn't work, do more of it.
- (Another Scott)
- (3)
- April 13, 2006, 08:45:09 PM EDT
The sign isn't appropriate
- (danreck)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 12:07:30 AM EDT
Hola Danno!
- (Ashton)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 06:09:12 AM EDT
Re: Hola Danno!
- (danreck)
- April 19, 2006, 09:36:58 AM EDT