Outsourcing saves less than claimed - (lincoln) - (97) - April 13, 2006, 02:53:29 PM EDT
         This is going to end up on a lot of corporate desks. - (imqwerky) - (92) - April 13, 2006, 08:00:27 PM EDT
             Won't change anything - (ben_tilly) - (91) - April 13, 2006, 08:14:51 PM EDT
                 s/(mis)/(mc)/g -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2006, 08:23:45 PM EDT
                 all true - (cforde) - (89) - April 14, 2006, 01:36:34 AM EDT
                     Assume that the truth is somewhere in between - (bepatient) - (88) - April 14, 2006, 09:48:51 AM EDT
                         That could still be mismanagement - (ben_tilly) - (87) - April 14, 2006, 12:32:14 PM EDT
                             Likely that internally would be mismanaged as well, then. - (bepatient) - (86) - April 14, 2006, 01:09:41 PM EDT
                                 Outsourcing adds an extra layer of complexity. - (imric) - (8) - April 14, 2006, 01:15:39 PM EDT
                                     Possibly. But not if done correctly - (bepatient) - (7) - April 14, 2006, 03:32:34 PM EDT
                                         The right people can succeed no matter what - (ben_tilly) - April 14, 2006, 05:21:58 PM EDT
                                         No matter what. - (imric) - (5) - April 14, 2006, 05:44:31 PM EDT
                                             And I made the clarification earlier - (bepatient) - (4) - April 14, 2006, 06:06:47 PM EDT
                                                 We also have onsite staff. - (imric) - (3) - April 14, 2006, 08:29:36 PM EDT
                                                     The overall point - (bepatient) - (2) - April 14, 2006, 08:58:44 PM EDT
                                                         But ONLy if they are unwilling to reorganize to a more - (imric) - (1) - April 14, 2006, 09:03:34 PM EDT
                                                             There are ALOT of those, you >do< know this. -NT - (bepatient) - April 14, 2006, 09:05:39 PM EDT
                                 Mostly agreed - (ben_tilly) - (76) - April 14, 2006, 08:46:00 PM EDT
                                     Aye. -NT - (imric) - April 14, 2006, 05:46:04 PM EDT
                                     Fully agree on core competence - (bepatient) - April 14, 2006, 06:08:57 PM EDT
                                     so what are we trying to optimize? - (cforde) - (73) - April 14, 2006, 06:35:59 PM EDT
                                         Bob Lewis at InfoWorld actually has a good one for this - (drewk) - (72) - April 14, 2006, 10:11:58 PM EDT
                                             <advocate mode="devil">OTOH</advocate> - (imric) - (71) - April 14, 2006, 10:53:25 PM EDT
                                                 I think it's perspective and definitions - (drewk) - (18) - April 15, 2006, 08:59:45 PM EDT
                                                     And sales, warehousing, inventory - (imric) - (17) - April 15, 2006, 09:27:51 PM EDT
                                                         Do you have plumbers on staff? - (drewk) - (3) - April 15, 2006, 09:43:59 PM EDT
                                                             And when IT is as dependable as plumbing - (imric) - (2) - April 15, 2006, 10:31:03 PM EDT
                                                                 It's ironic that you'd call plumbing "dependable" - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 16, 2006, 03:25:25 PM EDT
                                                                     You do have a point there - (imric) - April 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM EDT
                                                         Example - (bepatient) - (12) - April 16, 2006, 03:12:53 PM EDT
                                                             You know me better than to - (imric) - (11) - April 16, 2006, 03:53:13 PM EDT
                                                                 Who said anything about not having onsite staff? - (bepatient) - (10) - April 16, 2006, 09:21:36 PM EDT
                                                                     Failure financially. - (imric) - (9) - April 16, 2006, 10:14:57 PM EDT
                                                                         No more likely - (bepatient) - (8) - April 17, 2006, 12:55:08 AM EDT
                                                                             Nonsense. - (imric) - (7) - April 17, 2006, 07:09:09 AM EDT
                                                                                 IT is a commodity. - (pwhysall) - (3) - April 17, 2006, 07:56:31 AM EDT
                                                                                     Wait for this pendulum to swing back - (imric) - (1) - April 17, 2006, 09:02:11 AM EDT
                                                                                         All what eggs now? - (pwhysall) - April 17, 2006, 09:37:49 AM EDT
                                                                                     What you say is only somewhat true - (ben_tilly) - April 18, 2006, 01:08:46 AM EDT
                                                                                 All of your argument - (bepatient) - (2) - April 17, 2006, 08:16:39 AM EDT
                                                                                     Mmmmhmmm - (imric) - (1) - April 17, 2006, 08:58:05 AM EDT
                                                                                         Just simply wrong on many levels - (bepatient) - April 17, 2006, 12:20:11 PM EDT
                                                 Jumping in late - (danreck) - (51) - April 18, 2006, 04:28:30 PM EDT
                                                     And in line with this - (bepatient) - (48) - April 18, 2006, 05:41:42 PM EDT
                                                         Nor are they likely - (imric) - (38) - April 18, 2006, 05:57:35 PM EDT
                                                             Keep reaching - (bepatient) - (37) - April 18, 2006, 06:10:28 PM EDT
                                                                 Step 1 - steal all the underwear. Step 3. Profit. - (imric) - April 18, 2006, 06:32:22 PM EDT
                                                                 Come on Bill - (danreck) - (35) - April 18, 2006, 11:56:24 PM EDT
                                                                     Sigh - (bepatient) - (34) - April 19, 2006, 09:37:20 AM EDT
                                                                         Without IT, the business will fail - (imric) - (33) - April 19, 2006, 09:43:15 AM EDT
                                                                             You continue to make a blanket statement that is not true - (bepatient) - (32) - April 19, 2006, 09:52:36 AM EDT
                                                                                 Mmmhmmm - (imric) - (31) - April 19, 2006, 10:16:30 AM EDT
                                                                                     Re: Mmmhmmm - (pwhysall) - (16) - April 19, 2006, 10:50:57 AM EDT
                                                                                         Unless more management = more efficient - (imric) - (12) - April 19, 2006, 11:18:44 AM EDT
                                                                                             branched outsourcing costs more (new thread) - (boxley) - April 19, 2006, 11:26:06 AM EDT
                                                                                             That clears that up, then. - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 02:42:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                 *shrug* - (imric) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 03:15:50 PM EDT
                                                                                                     you havnt even attempted to address my branched reply -NT - (boxley) - April 19, 2006, 03:28:08 PM EDT
                                                                                             Skip, YOU haven't been reading - (ben_tilly) - (7) - April 19, 2006, 05:36:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                 On the contrary! - (imric) - (5) - April 19, 2006, 06:02:13 PM EDT
                                                                                                     look at SAP, Oracle Financials, PeopleSoft - (boxley) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 06:28:38 PM EDT
                                                                                                         There's stuff like Sarbanes-Oxley too... -NT - (Another Scott) - April 19, 2006, 06:53:45 PM EDT
                                                                                                     A new employee is coming Monday... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 11:50:50 PM EDT
                                                                                                         1 hour. Our procedures have it set up the day before. - (imric) - (1) - April 20, 2006, 07:33:56 AM EDT
                                                                                                             If you don't have good procedures and people... - (ben_tilly) - April 20, 2006, 10:39:09 AM EDT
                                                                                                 .... -NT - (imric) - April 19, 2006, 06:02:35 PM EDT
                                                                                         They're using different definitions of efficiency. - (Another Scott) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 11:23:38 AM EDT
                                                                                             Stop trying to spoil my fun :-) -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 12:32:20 PM EDT
                                                                                                 And mine! :-D -NT - (imric) - April 19, 2006, 01:09:46 PM EDT
                                                                                     Before this right shifts anymore - (danreck) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 10:58:37 AM EDT
                                                                                         Too true - (bepatient) - April 19, 2006, 11:10:29 AM EDT
                                                                                     No they aren't. They are oversimplifications - (bepatient) - (11) - April 19, 2006, 11:07:58 AM EDT
                                                                                         Straw men marching? - (imric) - (10) - April 19, 2006, 11:29:51 AM EDT
                                                                                             You are off your rocker - (bepatient) - (9) - April 19, 2006, 12:30:16 PM EDT
                                                                                                 And what delivers that service? Robots? - (imric) - (8) - April 19, 2006, 01:03:08 PM EDT
                                                                                                     Maybe - (bepatient) - (7) - April 19, 2006, 03:09:46 PM EDT
                                                                                                         As long as you get it in a timely fashion, - (imric) - (6) - April 19, 2006, 03:25:31 PM EDT
                                                                                                             Ah, we've taken the first step, grasshopper. - (bepatient) - (5) - April 19, 2006, 03:44:17 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Cost <> price. - (imric) - (4) - April 19, 2006, 04:52:00 PM EDT
                                                                                                                     I have a hard time agreeing with any of this - (bepatient) - (3) - April 19, 2006, 06:03:32 PM EDT
                                                                                                                         So dollars are all. The spreadsheet is king. - (imric) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 10:43:42 PM EDT
                                                                                                                             Not everything. - (bepatient) - (1) - April 20, 2006, 12:44:05 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                 roundandroundandroundandround -NT - (imric) - April 20, 2006, 07:09:38 AM EDT
                                                         Plants - (tuberculosis) - (8) - April 18, 2006, 06:22:57 PM EDT
                                                             No it's not - (drewk) - (2) - April 18, 2006, 07:43:00 PM EDT
                                                                 If we are talking about offshoring, you are right. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 09:06:01 AM EDT
                                                                     True -NT - (drewk) - April 19, 2006, 07:51:40 PM EDT
                                                             And one more time. - (bepatient) - (4) - April 19, 2006, 08:59:53 AM EDT
                                                                 Where did I say offshore? - (tuberculosis) - (3) - April 19, 2006, 09:10:16 PM EDT
                                                                     Re: Where did I say offshore? - (bepatient) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 09:34:32 PM EDT
                                                                         Ah - well that is the crux of the offshoring problem - (tuberculosis) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 10:08:14 PM EDT
                                                                             Understood... - (bepatient) - April 20, 2006, 12:45:24 AM EDT
                                                     Me too - (broomberg) - (1) - April 18, 2006, 10:37:18 PM EDT
                                                         Or maybe youhave the data - (bepatient) - April 19, 2006, 09:12:03 AM EDT
         If it doesn't work, do more of it. - (Another Scott) - (3) - April 13, 2006, 08:45:09 PM EDT
             The sign isn't appropriate - (danreck) - (2) - April 19, 2006, 12:07:30 AM EDT
                 Hola Danno! - (Ashton) - (1) - April 19, 2006, 06:09:12 AM EDT
                     Re: Hola Danno! - (danreck) - April 19, 2006, 09:36:58 AM EDT