Their success doesn't answer the question of whether they would have succeeded better in a different environment. (Of course nothing can really answer that question...)
Cheers,
Ben
Outsourcing saves less than claimed
- (lincoln)
- (97)
- April 13, 2006, 02:53:29 PM EDT
This is going to end up on a lot of corporate desks.
- (imqwerky)
- (92)
- April 13, 2006, 08:00:27 PM EDT
Won't change anything
- (ben_tilly)
- (91)
- April 13, 2006, 08:14:51 PM EDT
s/(mis)/(mc)/g
-NT
- (boxley)
- April 13, 2006, 08:23:45 PM EDT
all true
- (cforde)
- (89)
- April 14, 2006, 01:36:34 AM EDT
Assume that the truth is somewhere in between
- (bepatient)
- (88)
- April 14, 2006, 09:48:51 AM EDT
That could still be mismanagement
- (ben_tilly)
- (87)
- April 14, 2006, 12:32:14 PM EDT
Likely that internally would be mismanaged as well, then.
- (bepatient)
- (86)
- April 14, 2006, 01:09:41 PM EDT
Outsourcing adds an extra layer of complexity.
- (imric)
- (8)
- April 14, 2006, 01:15:39 PM EDT
Possibly. But not if done correctly
- (bepatient)
- (7)
- April 14, 2006, 03:32:34 PM EDT
The right people can succeed no matter what
- (ben_tilly)
- April 14, 2006, 05:21:58 PM EDT
No matter what.
- (imric)
- (5)
- April 14, 2006, 05:44:31 PM EDT
And I made the clarification earlier
- (bepatient)
- (4)
- April 14, 2006, 06:06:47 PM EDT
We also have onsite staff.
- (imric)
- (3)
- April 14, 2006, 08:29:36 PM EDT
The overall point
- (bepatient)
- (2)
- April 14, 2006, 08:58:44 PM EDT
But ONLy if they are unwilling to reorganize to a more
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 14, 2006, 09:03:34 PM EDT
There are ALOT of those, you >do< know this.
-NT
- (bepatient)
- April 14, 2006, 09:05:39 PM EDT
Mostly agreed
- (ben_tilly)
- (76)
- April 14, 2006, 08:46:00 PM EDT
Aye.
-NT
- (imric)
- April 14, 2006, 05:46:04 PM EDT
Fully agree on core competence
- (bepatient)
- April 14, 2006, 06:08:57 PM EDT
so what are we trying to optimize?
- (cforde)
- (73)
- April 14, 2006, 06:35:59 PM EDT
Bob Lewis at InfoWorld actually has a good one for this
- (drewk)
- (72)
- April 14, 2006, 10:11:58 PM EDT
<advocate mode="devil">OTOH</advocate>
- (imric)
- (71)
- April 14, 2006, 10:53:25 PM EDT
I think it's perspective and definitions
- (drewk)
- (18)
- April 15, 2006, 08:59:45 PM EDT
And sales, warehousing, inventory
- (imric)
- (17)
- April 15, 2006, 09:27:51 PM EDT
Do you have plumbers on staff?
- (drewk)
- (3)
- April 15, 2006, 09:43:59 PM EDT
And when IT is as dependable as plumbing
- (imric)
- (2)
- April 15, 2006, 10:31:03 PM EDT
It's ironic that you'd call plumbing "dependable"
- (ben_tilly)
- (1)
- April 16, 2006, 03:25:25 PM EDT
You do have a point there
- (imric)
- April 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM EDT
Example
- (bepatient)
- (12)
- April 16, 2006, 03:12:53 PM EDT
You know me better than to
- (imric)
- (11)
- April 16, 2006, 03:53:13 PM EDT
Who said anything about not having onsite staff?
- (bepatient)
- (10)
- April 16, 2006, 09:21:36 PM EDT
Failure financially.
- (imric)
- (9)
- April 16, 2006, 10:14:57 PM EDT
No more likely
- (bepatient)
- (8)
- April 17, 2006, 12:55:08 AM EDT
Nonsense.
- (imric)
- (7)
- April 17, 2006, 07:09:09 AM EDT
IT is a commodity.
- (pwhysall)
- (3)
- April 17, 2006, 07:56:31 AM EDT
Wait for this pendulum to swing back
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 17, 2006, 09:02:11 AM EDT
All what eggs now?
- (pwhysall)
- April 17, 2006, 09:37:49 AM EDT
What you say is only somewhat true
- (ben_tilly)
- April 18, 2006, 01:08:46 AM EDT
All of your argument
- (bepatient)
- (2)
- April 17, 2006, 08:16:39 AM EDT
Mmmmhmmm
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 17, 2006, 08:58:05 AM EDT
Just simply wrong on many levels
- (bepatient)
- April 17, 2006, 12:20:11 PM EDT
Jumping in late
- (danreck)
- (51)
- April 18, 2006, 04:28:30 PM EDT
And in line with this
- (bepatient)
- (48)
- April 18, 2006, 05:41:42 PM EDT
Nor are they likely
- (imric)
- (38)
- April 18, 2006, 05:57:35 PM EDT
Keep reaching
- (bepatient)
- (37)
- April 18, 2006, 06:10:28 PM EDT
Step 1 - steal all the underwear. Step 3. Profit.
- (imric)
- April 18, 2006, 06:32:22 PM EDT
Come on Bill
- (danreck)
- (35)
- April 18, 2006, 11:56:24 PM EDT
Sigh
- (bepatient)
- (34)
- April 19, 2006, 09:37:20 AM EDT
Without IT, the business will fail
- (imric)
- (33)
- April 19, 2006, 09:43:15 AM EDT
You continue to make a blanket statement that is not true
- (bepatient)
- (32)
- April 19, 2006, 09:52:36 AM EDT
Mmmhmmm
- (imric)
- (31)
- April 19, 2006, 10:16:30 AM EDT
Re: Mmmhmmm
- (pwhysall)
- (16)
- April 19, 2006, 10:50:57 AM EDT
Unless more management = more efficient
- (imric)
- (12)
- April 19, 2006, 11:18:44 AM EDT
branched outsourcing costs more (new thread)
- (boxley)
- April 19, 2006, 11:26:06 AM EDT
That clears that up, then.
- (pwhysall)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 02:42:04 PM EDT
*shrug*
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 03:15:50 PM EDT
you havnt even attempted to address my branched reply
-NT
- (boxley)
- April 19, 2006, 03:28:08 PM EDT
Skip, YOU haven't been reading
- (ben_tilly)
- (7)
- April 19, 2006, 05:36:54 PM EDT
On the contrary!
- (imric)
- (5)
- April 19, 2006, 06:02:13 PM EDT
look at SAP, Oracle Financials, PeopleSoft
- (boxley)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 06:28:38 PM EDT
There's stuff like Sarbanes-Oxley too...
-NT
- (Another Scott)
- April 19, 2006, 06:53:45 PM EDT
A new employee is coming Monday...
- (ben_tilly)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 11:50:50 PM EDT
1 hour. Our procedures have it set up the day before.
- (imric)
- (1)
- April 20, 2006, 07:33:56 AM EDT
If you don't have good procedures and people...
- (ben_tilly)
- April 20, 2006, 10:39:09 AM EDT
....
-NT
- (imric)
- April 19, 2006, 06:02:35 PM EDT
They're using different definitions of efficiency.
- (Another Scott)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 11:23:38 AM EDT
Stop trying to spoil my fun :-)
-NT
- (bepatient)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 12:32:20 PM EDT
And mine! :-D
-NT
- (imric)
- April 19, 2006, 01:09:46 PM EDT
Before this right shifts anymore
- (danreck)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 10:58:37 AM EDT
Too true
- (bepatient)
- April 19, 2006, 11:10:29 AM EDT
No they aren't. They are oversimplifications
- (bepatient)
- (11)
- April 19, 2006, 11:07:58 AM EDT
Straw men marching?
- (imric)
- (10)
- April 19, 2006, 11:29:51 AM EDT
You are off your rocker
- (bepatient)
- (9)
- April 19, 2006, 12:30:16 PM EDT
And what delivers that service? Robots?
- (imric)
- (8)
- April 19, 2006, 01:03:08 PM EDT
Maybe
- (bepatient)
- (7)
- April 19, 2006, 03:09:46 PM EDT
As long as you get it in a timely fashion,
- (imric)
- (6)
- April 19, 2006, 03:25:31 PM EDT
Ah, we've taken the first step, grasshopper.
- (bepatient)
- (5)
- April 19, 2006, 03:44:17 PM EDT
Cost <> price.
- (imric)
- (4)
- April 19, 2006, 04:52:00 PM EDT
I have a hard time agreeing with any of this
- (bepatient)
- (3)
- April 19, 2006, 06:03:32 PM EDT
So dollars are all. The spreadsheet is king.
- (imric)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 10:43:42 PM EDT
Not everything.
- (bepatient)
- (1)
- April 20, 2006, 12:44:05 AM EDT
roundandroundandroundandround
-NT
- (imric)
- April 20, 2006, 07:09:38 AM EDT
Plants
- (tuberculosis)
- (8)
- April 18, 2006, 06:22:57 PM EDT
No it's not
- (drewk)
- (2)
- April 18, 2006, 07:43:00 PM EDT
If we are talking about offshoring, you are right.
-NT
- (bepatient)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 09:06:01 AM EDT
True
-NT
- (drewk)
- April 19, 2006, 07:51:40 PM EDT
And one more time.
- (bepatient)
- (4)
- April 19, 2006, 08:59:53 AM EDT
Where did I say offshore?
- (tuberculosis)
- (3)
- April 19, 2006, 09:10:16 PM EDT
Re: Where did I say offshore?
- (bepatient)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 09:34:32 PM EDT
Ah - well that is the crux of the offshoring problem
- (tuberculosis)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 10:08:14 PM EDT
Understood...
- (bepatient)
- April 20, 2006, 12:45:24 AM EDT
Me too
- (broomberg)
- (1)
- April 18, 2006, 10:37:18 PM EDT
Or maybe youhave the data
- (bepatient)
- April 19, 2006, 09:12:03 AM EDT
If it doesn't work, do more of it.
- (Another Scott)
- (3)
- April 13, 2006, 08:45:09 PM EDT
The sign isn't appropriate
- (danreck)
- (2)
- April 19, 2006, 12:07:30 AM EDT
Hola Danno!
- (Ashton)
- (1)
- April 19, 2006, 06:09:12 AM EDT
Re: Hola Danno!
- (danreck)
- April 19, 2006, 09:36:58 AM EDT