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New The Rods from God
This is from some time ago, it may have already been posted. If so, apologies.

[link|http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/700oklkt.asp|http://www.weeklysta.../005/700oklkt.asp]

[...]

"HOW DO THE RODS WORK? The system would likely be comprised of tandem satellites, one serving as a communications platform, the other carrying an indeterminate number of tungsten rods, each up to 20 feet in length and 1 foot in diameter. These rods, which could be dropped on a target with as little as 15 minutes notice, would enter the Earth's atmosphere at a speed of 36,000 feet per second--about as fast as a meteor. Upon impact, the rod would be capable of producing all the effects of an earth-penetrating nuclear weapon, without any of the radioactive fallout."


all the flavor, but no calories!
New Now THAT'S a GRR!
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
New Reminds me of a .sig from the HGML...
Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system.


Yes, I used it as my .sig for a bit.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New Not God
>> Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God.

Sorry to go off topic, but that sig brought a poem (written by an oncologist) to mind:

[link|http://mchip00.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/webdocs/poems/notgod.ms.html|http://mchip00.nyu.e...ms/notgod.ms.html]

[...]

"But lately
I'm increasingly tempted to say, How do you know
I'm not God? What gives you such certainty?

Do you say this to your lawyer, accountant,
or mother-in-law? And, if I'm not God then why
ask me a question that only God can answer? "


Now, back to the topic.
New Old News
Niven/Pournelle: [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0345323440/qid=1144940996/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-5072356-2865421?v=glance&s=books|Footfall]
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New That was based on the "Thor Project"
Popularly known as crowbars from the sky. Pournelle was a big fan and proponent of the Thor project. It's either so far out of date now that google can't find the project any more or it's now highly classified.
New Older news
The moon is a harsh mistress.

[link|http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+moon+is+a+harsh+mistress%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official|http://www.google.co...la:en-US:official]

I seem to recall they catapulted rocks to earth.
New They did...and I have no idea why I remember that.
New Shame on you, Mike/Adam!
New That's different.
Flying crowbars can change their direction in flight.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Sounds familiar, but not the title
Is that the one where the moon was a penal colony, with the only security being that around the port to return to Earth? I know I've read something where they lobbed steel-jacketed balls of rubble at the Earth, but I didn't think I had read the book of that name.
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Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link|http://DocHope.com|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats].
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New May have been called Brass Cannon?
New And Earth media scoffed,"They're going to throw rice at us!"
Because the delivery system for the steel-jacketed payloads, an immense Gauss gun, was normally used to deliver grain from the fertile lunar penal colony to feed Earth's teeming masses.

Our "Simon Jester" is a fan, apparently, since his user-ID is a character from it. (A fictitious fictional character, even: An alias that thinking computer MYCROFT / "Mike" / "Adam Selene" invented for himself.)

HTH!


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
New Yup, I remember the Gauss gun
Time for some googling, as apparently you want to make me work for it.


Oh wait, you're saying that was MIAHM. Guess I did read it.
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[link|http://DocHope.com|http://DocHope.com]
Expand Edited by drewk April 13, 2006, 06:37:58 PM EDT
New Wasn't that in Syndicate?
What a great game that was.

The Atlantic Accelerator was a bitch.


Peter
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Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
New Similar article from IEEE, and another Garwin article.
[link|http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/6/30455/1402717/1402717_v20.html|Star Crossed]:

Hypervelocity Rod Bundles are a leading candidate. More colloquially known as Rods From God, they are long, slim, dense metal rods, typically of tungsten or uranium, each weighing perhaps 100 kilograms and deployed from an orbiting platform. Once a rod is released by the platform, a large two-stage rocket would bring it to a stop, after which orbital dynamics determine the projectile's trajectory to a terrestrial target [see illustration, [link|http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/6/30455/1402717/1402717f2_v20.html|"Space Arrows"]]. The slender rods would eventually reach a speed of several kilometers per second if dropped from LEO, their length facilitating the penetration of hard or buried targets.

Because the rods' trajectory paths from LEO would be many hundreds of kilometers long, they would require about 5 minutes to reach their targets, so it would be difficult to use them against moving objects. Since no target is likely to be directly under the platform's orbital path, each rod would have to be equipped with a rocket or some other means to move it from that path. Also, the rods would need shielding to keep them from burning up during reentry. The shielding and rocket both add weight and thus increase the cost of putting these weapons into orbit in the first place. Once the rod has reentered Earth's atmosphere, it could be maneuvered by shifting an internal mass or by ejecting gas.

How destructive could such a weapon be? A 100-kg rod of tungsten falling from an altitude of 460 km and reaching an impact velocity of roughly 3 km/s would have the destructive force of a similar amount of conventional high explosives delivered by bomb or missile. The rod would be more effective than conventional high explosives at penetrating to a buried target, because the rod's force would be concentrated and directed in the line of motion. Higher orbits would deliver greater energies but would take even longer to strike a target--about 6 hours, for instance, from geosynchronous orbit.


Another Richard Garwin paper on this and other ways to weaponize space, and the problems with the various technologies, is [link|http://fas.org/rlg/030522-space.pdf|here] (7 page .pdf). It's from the 2003 Pugwash conference in Spain. He refers to this [link|http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1209/index.html|RAND study] (pdfs available).

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who likes to remember that if something seems like an obvious solution to a problem and it hasn't been implemented, then it must have non-trivial reasons why.)
     The Rods from God - (dmcarls) - (15)
         Now THAT'S a GRR! -NT - (jb4)
         Reminds me of a .sig from the HGML... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
             Not God - (dmcarls)
         Old News - (admin) - (10)
             That was based on the "Thor Project" - (hnick)
             Older news - (broomberg) - (8)
                 They did...and I have no idea why I remember that. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     Shame on you, Mike/Adam! -NT - (CRConrad)
                 That's different. - (admin)
                 Sounds familiar, but not the title - (drewk) - (4)
                     May have been called Brass Cannon? -NT - (Simon_Jester)
                     And Earth media scoffed,"They're going to throw rice at us!" - (CRConrad) - (2)
                         Yup, I remember the Gauss gun - (drewk) - (1)
                             Wasn't that in Syndicate? - (pwhysall)
         Similar article from IEEE, and another Garwin article. - (Another Scott)

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