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Post #252,025 by lincoln 4/13/06 9:29:11 AM Reply	I'll take a low-paying job when I can provide for my family on $5.15 an hour USD. That's approximately 4.24 an hour Euro. Can you provide for your wife and child at that pay rate? lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #252,321 by Arkadiy 4/15/06 4:08:50 AM Reply	Bullshit The illegals are surviving somehow on $2 per hour, don't they? Ah, you're not willing to survive like that, with 4 to ten people to a room and family in the next country? Then, like Box says, go pick your own dman fruit and shut up. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #252,340 by imqwerky 4/15/06 5:14:58 PM Reply	Lest we forget... the road to easy money is through drug dealing and burglary and fencing said stolen goods. Oh, and did I mention gangs? This issue is hardly brown and white like the politicos would have us believe. There are so many different situations that there is no one-size fits all solution. Just calling it as I see it, Amy Stop looking at my signature!
Post #252,355 by lincoln 4/15/06 7:59:46 PM Reply	Why should I lower myself to their level? If they want to live like sardines in a can, that's their choice. I prefer to live in a house with a little elbow room between me, the wife and the kids. And I can because it's a choice that I made because I have the education and the job that allows me to afford such a choice. They got a family in some other country? Then get the fuck back there and support them. Can't cause there ain't no jobs, or too much corruption in the government, army and police force? Ain't my fuckin' problem - stop knocking up the wife with kids you can't afford to support. They don't like living in a room with strangers? Then go the fuck back home and live with their families. Problem solved. It ain't my responsibility to make their lives easier when they broke the law to enter my country. Right now over 29% of the federal prison population in the USA are illegal immigrants. Stuff them in a C-5, fly them back to Mexico City, and dump them on the tarmac. Let them stay there and fix their own damn country. lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #252,358 by ben_tilly 4/15/06 8:09:31 PM Reply	I'll call all of that fair if... you also accept it as fair if a company wishes to move operations overseas because people there are willing to work for less than you are. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #252,390 by lincoln 4/16/06 5:36:07 PM Reply	Doesn't matter if I think it's fair because that's be happening for the past 25 years (at least) lincoln "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem. I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a *Citizen* of the United States. [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #252,392 by ben_tilly 4/16/06 7:09:16 PM Reply	It's been happening for over a century What's changed is that we used to have the education systems, research and innovation to create new work faster than it was draining away. We no longer do. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Dear Presidente Vincente Fox - (lincoln) - (36) - April 12, 2006, 02:46:33 PM EDT

While you're at it - (tuberculosis) - (1) - April 13, 2006, 12:08:57 AM EDT

s/waterfront/any/g -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2006, 11:34:45 AM EDT

Dear Americans - (pwhysall) - (33) - April 13, 2006, 01:46:33 AM EDT

You do realize that you're talking to two separate groups... - (inthane-chan) - (9) - April 13, 2006, 09:13:00 AM EDT

Let the poor idiots keep the rich bastards in check, then. - (CRConrad) - (8) - April 13, 2006, 04:58:26 PM EDT

This is the country that elected Bush. Twice. - (ben_tilly) - April 13, 2006, 05:59:54 PM EDT

Problem is that the poor idiots are, well ... idiots -NT - (drewk) - (1) - April 13, 2006, 06:32:11 PM EDT

The average American can't make the connection . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - April 15, 2006, 09:21:31 PM EDT

It's obvious you don't know your Adams... -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1) - April 13, 2006, 06:42:38 PM EDT

And you don't even know what it is you don't know? - (CRConrad) - April 18, 2006, 03:42:59 AM EDT

"Illitterate"? - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 13, 2006, 10:38:09 PM EDT

That the best you can do? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 18, 2006, 03:50:04 AM EDT

I don't care about the rest. -NT - (pwhysall) - April 18, 2006, 06:55:26 AM EDT

I'll take a low-paying job - (lincoln) - (6) - April 13, 2006, 09:29:11 AM EDT

Bullshit - (Arkadiy) - (5) - April 15, 2006, 04:08:50 AM EDT

Lest we forget... - (imqwerky) - April 15, 2006, 05:14:58 PM EDT

Why should I lower myself to their level? - (lincoln) - (3) - April 15, 2006, 07:59:46 PM EDT

I'll call all of that fair if... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - April 15, 2006, 08:09:31 PM EDT

Doesn't matter if I think it's fair - (lincoln) - (1) - April 16, 2006, 05:36:07 PM EDT

It's been happening for over a century - (ben_tilly) - April 16, 2006, 07:09:16 PM EDT

Dear Brit - (bepatient) - (14) - April 13, 2006, 09:54:41 AM EDT

Yeah, right...And they each get a free house and a free car! - (CRConrad) - (13) - April 13, 2006, 04:52:09 PM EDT

I don't think you quite get it. - (bepatient) - (12) - April 14, 2006, 10:03:34 AM EDT

Linky? - (Another Scott) - (10) - April 14, 2006, 10:41:21 AM EDT

Best I can do on short notice - (ben_tilly) - (9) - April 14, 2006, 11:27:14 AM EDT

Combinations - (bepatient) - April 14, 2006, 01:03:45 PM EDT

I already see some problems. - (Another Scott) - (7) - April 14, 2006, 02:05:50 PM EDT

You really need to spend some time in the southwest - (bepatient) - (5) - April 14, 2006, 03:40:16 PM EDT

;-) - (Another Scott) - (4) - April 14, 2006, 03:51:24 PM EDT

wow...200k in the whole state! - (bepatient) - (2) - April 14, 2006, 04:22:24 PM EDT

Um, they're not all in Norton, VA. 6 kB .imgs - (Another Scott) - (1) - April 14, 2006, 04:58:44 PM EDT

Do they hang on the corner waiting for work? ;-) -NT - (bepatient) - April 14, 2006, 05:09:09 PM EDT

As Bill says, come to LA - (ben_tilly) - April 14, 2006, 05:35:30 PM EDT

You need to understand Hispanic culture - (ben_tilly) - April 14, 2006, 08:44:00 PM EDT

It's an instance of a Western Society problem. - (static) - April 19, 2006, 03:17:53 AM EDT

pick your own fuckin cockles -NT - (boxley) - April 13, 2006, 11:35:33 AM EDT

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