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Post #251,632
by Ashton
4/10/06 6:35:25 PM
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New What's wrong with "they who.." ?
As in "was it not [they who]"

Intransitive 'to be'
(which constructs, I tend to check by reversing the order; if it still scans sans awkwardity-like-This-word, s'OK..)
Post #251,721
by CRConrad
4/11/06 9:44:56 AM
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New Was De Niro calling they, or calling them?
Would you be calling he, or calling him?

That's what's wrong with they; they're not the subject, but the object of the action.


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Post #251,788
by Ashton
4/11/06 3:40:59 PM
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New Re: Was De Niro calling they, or calling them?
In the romance languages, say Spanish with estar and ser - the intransitive nature is rendered clearer. In the US, especially now, with deterioration across the board.. there are far more egregious daily screwups (\ufffd l\ufffd 'me and him went to a ') which murder any idea of the er, mellifluous.

'Weren't they [those] whom..' works, technically. I suppose. The elided [those] has to be insertted by the listener. Awkward, that.

I think the phrase, 'they who blah blah', behaving somewhat as an object while-referring-to-a subject (!) scans better; and what "scans better" is oft lost in that kind of analysis as tends towards the turgid. Y'know?


I who be.
     Ritchin fratchin frudgeity fack - (admin) - (42) - April 5, 2006, 05:24:54 PM EDT
         Maybe you should rename this the BLACKWater Cooler... - (Steve Lowe) - April 5, 2006, 05:27:56 PM EDT
         Poo happens :( -NT - (Meerkat) - April 5, 2006, 05:28:46 PM EDT
         Re: Ritchin fratchin frudgeity fack - (pwhysall) - April 5, 2006, 05:29:02 PM EDT
         I was about to complain about having to plunge the shower - (drewk) - April 5, 2006, 05:45:16 PM EDT
         If you can live with one turd bowl - (boxley) - (4) - April 5, 2006, 06:16:30 PM EDT
             $1650 for a crapper???? - (imqwerky) - (2) - April 5, 2006, 08:04:50 PM EDT
                 waterless crapper, vs 10-15k for a septic tank -NT - (boxley) - (1) - April 5, 2006, 09:12:24 PM EDT
                     Oh. - (imqwerky) - April 5, 2006, 09:19:21 PM EDT
             Clivus Multrum - (Ashton) - April 6, 2006, 03:47:55 AM EDT
         Bummer. - (Another Scott) - April 5, 2006, 07:04:46 PM EDT
         Oh man...that stinks! -NT - (bepatient) - April 5, 2006, 08:03:05 PM EDT
         Holy sh.., Batman! - (a6l6e6x) - (18) - April 5, 2006, 10:21:26 PM EDT
             "Plan to stay away from" what, mr WinnebagoingAroundAmerica? -NT - (CRConrad) - (17) - April 10, 2006, 08:28:31 AM EDT
                 you havnt watched "meet the fokkers?" -NT - (boxley) - (5) - April 6, 2006, 04:13:58 PM EDT
                     Also Randy Quaid emptying tenement on wheels -Xmas Vacation -NT - (imqwerky) - April 6, 2006, 04:24:01 PM EDT
                     Sure I have, but what's that gotta do with anything? - (CRConrad) - (3) - April 6, 2006, 05:57:50 PM EDT
                         The suffering continues! -NT - (folkert) - April 6, 2006, 06:24:51 PM EDT
                         yabbut :-) - (boxley) - (1) - April 6, 2006, 06:46:11 PM EDT
                             Whaddayamean, "fix the spelling"??? - (CRConrad) - April 10, 2006, 08:32:54 AM EDT
                 Please no suffering. -NT - (folkert) - April 6, 2006, 06:23:19 PM EDT
                 What's that in your pants? - (drewk) - (1) - April 10, 2006, 08:31:33 AM EDT
                     Lotta nothing. You, OTOH, try Depends! HTH! -NT - (CRConrad) - April 10, 2006, 09:01:58 AM EDT
                 Yes, but not quite the same. - (a6l6e6x) - (7) - April 6, 2006, 08:35:27 PM EDT
                     So what, exactly, is (are) the tank(s) Scott (and mssrs.. - (CRConrad) - (6) - April 10, 2006, 09:00:48 AM EDT
                         That goofy guy on Red Green :-) -NT - (imqwerky) - April 10, 2006, 03:24:19 PM EDT
                         What's wrong with "they who.." ? - (Ashton) - (2) - April 10, 2006, 06:35:25 PM EDT
                             Was De Niro calling they, or calling them? - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 11, 2006, 09:44:56 AM EDT
                                 Re: Was De Niro calling they, or calling them? - (Ashton) - April 11, 2006, 03:40:59 PM EDT
                         Septic systems. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - April 10, 2006, 09:17:40 PM EDT
                             Ah, I see. I had the English expression all wrong, then. - (CRConrad) - April 11, 2006, 09:42:01 AM EDT
         Been there, done that - (broomberg) - April 5, 2006, 11:11:43 PM EDT
         My condolences - (Silverlock) - April 5, 2006, 11:19:37 PM EDT
         Bum. Mer. - (jb4) - April 6, 2006, 01:54:32 PM EDT
         It wasn't that good that it needed to be repeated... - (jb4) - April 6, 2006, 01:56:23 PM EDT
         ICLRPD (new thread) - (lincoln) - April 6, 2006, 06:08:44 PM EDT
         Got what was probably the final estimate in - (admin) - (6) - May 3, 2006, 03:22:13 PM EDT
             a tad spendy, but... - (slugbug) - May 3, 2006, 03:37:52 PM EDT
             Sounds like being forced to sewers was a good deal. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - May 3, 2006, 03:44:00 PM EDT
                 We didn't have the option. - (admin) - May 3, 2006, 03:47:03 PM EDT
             Oi vey! - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - May 3, 2006, 03:42:39 PM EDT
                 Yes, I regret not doing that. - (admin) - May 3, 2006, 03:48:24 PM EDT
             ouch but sounds like the right guy -NT - (boxley) - May 3, 2006, 07:22:46 PM EDT

Sure, it's theoretically possible, but who the hell would actually do such a thing?
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