Post #249,005
3/23/06 11:13:00 AM
3/23/06 11:23:42 AM
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Just so you know where you fit in....
[link|http://www.ur.umn.edu/FMPro?-db=releases&-lay=web&-format=umnnewsreleases/releasesdetail.html&ID=2816&-Find|http://www.ur.umn.ed...tml&ID=2816&-Find]
Atheists identified as America\ufffds most distrusted minority, according to new U of M study
"From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in \ufffdsharing their vision of American society.\ufffd Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry."
more....
Also, I thought I'd tack this on here...could go in this forum, I guess.
[link|http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/03/ambivalence_abo.html|http://time.blogs.co...ivalence_abo.html]
[...]
"But on the other hand, I worry that if we finally do succeed in Iraq, Bush and his 'base' will conclude that, yes, if they just 'listen to God,' (and no one else), things will turn out just fine. And that conclusion, I fear, could be worse for this country than losing this war."
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Edited by dmcarls
March 23, 2006, 11:23:42 AM EST
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Post #249,011
3/23/06 11:26:25 AM
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Please remind me...
to stay around well-educated East and West coast people. It sounds safer than going somewhere where I'm not wanted, like the Midwest or South.
Actually, I think you just did.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #249,014
3/23/06 11:36:53 AM
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It's interesting to compare state Wikipedia entries.
E.g. [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota#Religion|South Dakota]:
91% Christian, 8% non-religious
Versus
[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts#Religion|Massachusetts]
79% Christian, 17% non-religious
Versus
[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah#Religion|Utah]:
81% Christian, 18% non-religious
It explains (maybe poorly, maybe well) some of the recent legislative activity in some of the states. Maybe more atheists should move to South Dakota. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #249,040
3/23/06 1:44:01 PM
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A coupla dozen ought to do it....
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,057
3/23/06 3:49:12 PM
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Implication
South Dakota:
91% Christian, 8% non-religious, 1% all other religions
Versus
Massachusetts
79% Christian, 17% non-religious, 4% all other religions
Versus
Utah:
81% Christian, 18% non-religious, 1% all other religions
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Post #249,061
3/23/06 4:17:41 PM
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now lets subdivide
how many of the christian claimed have practiced their religion or know anything about it.
thanx,
bill
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Post #249,086
3/23/06 5:12:47 PM
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I think for most it just means they kill a tree a year
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Post #249,093
3/23/06 5:56:34 PM
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ROTFL
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #249,099
3/23/06 7:15:23 PM
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Here in California it's 75% Christian, 20% nonreligeous . .
. . a real hotbed of athiests, secular humanists and other "not to be trusted" types.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #249,100
3/23/06 7:17:26 PM
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And the world's 7th largest economy(*)...
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Post #249,105
3/23/06 9:10:25 PM
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Also, Ben...
in the article:
[...]
"Many of the study\ufffds respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism."
Criminal behavior? In the Midwest?
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Post #249,109
3/23/06 9:42:30 PM
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You may have missed my point
I'm an atheist.
I prefer to live places where this fact does not cause people to either dislike me, or to waste energy trying to convert me.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #249,133
3/23/06 11:20:01 PM
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you would not rather try to masquerade as an ?
you are married dont forget. :-) poking gentle fun not accusatory
thanx,
bill
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Post #249,144
3/24/06 12:12:59 AM
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I would not.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #249,101
3/23/06 7:20:00 PM
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Run, get out while you can?
Three hundred years after the Age of Enlightenment and an industrilised nation still believes that morality has to come from high priests and be over centuries old. For crying out load, that country needs to put more effort into education. Next thing you'll be telling me is they believe in some creation myth instead of scientific theory. No, wait!
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #249,103
3/23/06 8:10:12 PM
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:-0 from the crew that dances around oak trees
naked in the freezing rain? bollocks,
thanx,
bill
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Post #249,254
3/24/06 11:15:11 PM
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Yeah, they're really representative of the UK gestalt...
At least they're not drooling, puking, speaking in tongues and handling snakes.
Peter
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Post #249,258
3/24/06 11:39:22 PM
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what you quit going to the rugby clubs?
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Post #249,360
3/26/06 7:55:29 AM
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It takes leather balls to play rugby...
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Post #249,107
3/23/06 9:27:40 PM
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The answers in polls depend on how the questions are asked.
[link|http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_comp.htm|Religious Tolerance]: Two international surveys were conducted during 1991 and 1993 by the International Social Survey Program (ISSP). This is currently located at the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago.
Seven questions were asked in 1991:
God: I know God exists and I have no doubts about it
Afterlife: I definitely believe in life after death
Bible: The Bible is the actual word of God and it is to be taken literally, word for word. A yes answer implies that the subject believes in the inerrancy of the Bible.
Devil: I definitely believe in the Devil.
Hell: I definitely believe in Hell.
Heaven: I definitely believe in Heaven.
Miracle: I definitely believe in religious miracles.
Results are shown below. Appended to the list are:
the results of a survey showing the percentage of persons who said yes to the following question:
In your opinion, how true is this? ...Human beings developed from earlier species of animals.. The results are a measure of belief in human evolution, and disbelief in creation science.
| Country | God | Afterlife | Bible | Devil | Hell | Heaven | Miracles | Evolution | | United States | 62.8 | 55.0 | 33.5 | 45.4 | 49.6 | 63.1 | 45.6 | 35.4 | | N. Ireland | 61.4 | 53.5 | 32.7 | 43.1 | 47.9 | 63.7 | 44.2 | 51.5 | | Philippines | 86.2 | 35.2 | 53.7 | 28.3 | 29.6 | 41.9 | 27.7 | 60.9 | | Ireland | 58.7 | 45.9 | 24.9 | 24.8 | 25.9 | 51.8 | 36.9 | 60.1 | | Poland | 66.3 | 37.8 | 37.4 | 15.4 | 21.4 | 38.6 | 22.7 | 35.4 | | Italy | 51.4 | 34.8 | 27.0 | 20.4 | 21.7 | 27.9 | 32.9 | 65.2 | | New Zealand | 29.3 | 35.5 | 9.4 | 21.4 | 18.7 | 32.2 | 23.1 | 66.3 | | Israel | 43.0 | 21.9 | 26.7 | 12.6 | 22.5 | 24.0 | 26.4 | 56.9 | | Austria | 29.4 | 24.8 | 12.7 | 11.1 | 10.0 | 20.1 | 27.4 | N/A | | Norway | 20.1 | 31.6 | 11.2 | 13.1 | 11.4 | 23.0 | 17.8 | 65.0 | | Great Britain | 23.8 | 26.5 | 7.0 | 12.7 | 12.8 | 24.6 | 15.3 | 76.7 | | Netherlands | 24.7 | 26.7 | 8.4 | 13.3 | 11.1 | 21.1 | 10.2 | 58.6 | | W. Germany | 27.3 | 24.4 | 12.5 | 9.5 | 9.3 | 18.2 | 22.7 | 72.7 | | Russia | 12.4 | 16.8 | 9.9 | 12.5 | 13.0 | 14.7 | 18.7 | 41.4 | | Slovenia | 21.9 | 11.6 | 22.3 | 6.9 | 8.3 | 9.5 | 13.4 | 60.7 | | Hungary | 30.1 | 10.6 | 19.2 | 4.2 | 5.8 | 9.4 | 8.2 | 62.8 | | E. Germany | 9.2 | 6.1 | 7.5 | 3.6 | 2.6 | 10.2 | 11.8 | 81.6 |
Some observations
* All numbers are in percentages.
* since 1944, the Gallup Poll has been asking Americans whether they believe in God or a universal spirit. The answers have always been 94% or more affirmative. These numbers have been so widely reported in academic articles, and the media that they have been almost etched in stone. However, the ISSP results are under 63%. The wide gap is probably due to the different wording of the question asked. The ISSP requires a degree of certainty of belief that is not present in the Gallup Poll. This shows that many Americans who believe in God are not that certain about their conviction.
[...] The US is still more religious than many countries, but not to the 91% level that's claimed in South Dakota. Of course it may be that 91% of the people in South Dakota are practicing Christians, but it didn't look that way when we visited the Black Hills a few years ago. Cheers, Scott. (Who wishes z wasn't so cranky about MSHTML tables, but realizes it's not trivial to have a bullet-proof parser for such a thing...)
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Post #249,124
3/23/06 10:15:55 PM
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Not to mention the outright lies
Surveys of Americans say that about 40% report going to church at least once a week. Numbers derived from actual church attendance figures say that it's closer to 20%.
Jay
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Post #249,136
3/23/06 11:23:08 PM
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missing are the following
how many people beleive american Idol is real?
how many people think windows is secure
how many people think that sex in the city accurately portrays your chances of random not paid for sex in NYC acually happens
how many people.....
fuckwits all
thanx,
bill
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Post #249,139
3/23/06 11:25:20 PM
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We all have our crutches to help us get through the day. :-)
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Post #249,155
3/24/06 3:07:52 AM
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Pagans don't care about atheists, so I'm not worried
Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #249,321
3/25/06 7:23:02 PM
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But what about the gay atheists? They must be the worst! :)
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #249,351
3/26/06 1:57:05 AM
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Gay atheist lepers on crack, burning a Flag; if paraplegics?
... then there's a pause before the lynching,
for rapid rearrangement of rationalizations, while donning the white hood.
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Post #249,364
3/26/06 9:38:08 AM
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gay athiest lepers? Keep the tip
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