So I loaded Tiger on the Mini tonight.

And it always happens when you're using Safari, right? The Internet stops working, etc.

This is a known problem that existed sporadically on 10.4.2 and has just gotten a lot worse for some people with the Java Release 2 update. It's a conflict between launchd (whatever that is) and Java. I read a report on Macfixit.com this morning, and there's also a thread on the Apple.com forums. Additionally, I have filed a bug report with Apple (because I experienced this crash yesterday).

There are three ways to fix it if you're having serious problems.
1. When you start having the Safari problems, unplug your ethernet connection (if it's not wireless). This resets launchd.
2. Try running both Java utility programs in your Applications/Utilities folder. Reset or clear your Java caches.
3. If you must, archive-and-reinstall Tiger, but don't apply the Java Release 2 update afterwards.

At least, this sounds very similar to the issues I had with the machine *before* the Tiger upgrade. Now the hangs come much more often.

Post #248,955 by admin 3/22/06 10:12:38 PM Reply	So I loaded Tiger on the Mini tonight. Spinning beach ball of death for my son 30 minutes into a Garage Band session. This doesn't bode well. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #248,959 by tuberculosis 3/22/06 11:42:17 PM Reply	Might be spotlight getting caught up. Its got to index your whole drive. Give it a day and see if it continues. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #248,967 by pwhysall 3/23/06 12:55:06 AM Reply	applejack it [link\|http://applejack.sourceforge.net/\|http://applejack.sourceforge.net/] Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #248,988 by admin 3/23/06 9:03:28 AM Reply	I'll take a look, thanks. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,106 by admin 3/23/06 9:21:49 PM Reply	I am deafened by the irony... ... of a Macintosh utility site that doesn't frakking work in Safari. I had to go there in Camino to get the download link to work. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,147 by pwhysall 3/24/06 12:36:27 AM 3/24/06 12:40:05 AM Reply	That's changed, then. I might drop him an email. That's a bit embarrassing. No need. Someone's already filed that particular bug. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! Edited by pwhysall March 24, 2006, 12:40:05 AM EST Expand All History
Post #248,969 by Steve Lowe 3/23/06 1:12:39 AM Reply	RAM? My iBook came with 256m. It was so-so under Panther, but Tiger made it positively slow. I just add a gig to it (maxed it out), and now it's great. -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #248,987 by admin 3/23/06 9:03:12 AM Reply	No, it's not just slow. It's wedged. And there's a Gig of RAM in it. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,395 by admin 3/26/06 5:43:34 PM Reply	Worse than Windows And I mean the Bad Old Days of Windows. I've used Applejack. No joy. The damn thing just freezes up while the screensaver is on. Sometimes it comes back a half hour later, sometimes not. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,399 by Another Scott 3/26/06 6:25:07 PM Reply	Bad plugin? Does what's outlined [link\|http://www.richardsnotes.org/archives/2005/05/01/tiger-upgrade-issues-with-ical/\|here] help? Someone had similar problems to you and was only able to fix it by doing a [link\|http://www.codecomments.com/archive240-2005-11-683450.html\|fresh install without preserving the user's settings]. There's a dearth of information out there on solutions to problems like this, as I'm sure you know. I hope you get it figured out. Cheers, Scott.
Post #249,417 by admin 3/26/06 9:08:20 PM Reply	Could be. I just put 10.4.5 on; if this doesn't fix things I'll do a backup and fresh install (GAH). I thought these things were supposed to be free of this kind of aggravation? Linux may be clunky, but it doesn't just silently go to pot like this. The worst I had with the Linux laptop preceding the Mini was some Debian package rot. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,418 by Meerkat 3/26/06 9:44:57 PM Reply	Can you SSH in during Beachball Time to get any clues? Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #249,428 by admin 3/26/06 10:08:27 PM Reply	Didn't have it enabled. I've since turned on remote access. No beach ball, the last two times. It hung while the screen saver was on and the mouse cursor was nowhere to be found. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,424 by boxley 3/26/06 10:05:20 PM Reply	keep a console window open, running top? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #249,445 by pwhysall 3/27/06 12:17:38 AM Reply	Wossinthelogs? Also, this sounds like bad hardware. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #249,462 by admin 3/27/06 8:11:05 AM Reply	This might be the issue: And it always happens when you're using Safari, right? The Internet stops working, etc. This is a known problem that existed sporadically on 10.4.2 and has just gotten a lot worse for some people with the Java Release 2 update. It's a conflict between launchd (whatever that is) and Java. I read a report on Macfixit.com this morning, and there's also a thread on the Apple.com forums. Additionally, I have filed a bug report with Apple (because I experienced this crash yesterday). There are three ways to fix it if you're having serious problems. 1. When you start having the Safari problems, unplug your ethernet connection (if it's not wireless). This resets launchd. 2. Try running both Java utility programs in your Applications/Utilities folder. Reset or clear your Java caches. 3. If you must, archive-and-reinstall Tiger, but don't apply the Java Release 2 update afterwards. At least, this sounds very similar to the issues I had with the machine before the Tiger upgrade. Now the hangs come much more often. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,464 by Another Scott 3/27/06 8:22:54 AM Reply	Java's always been cranky for me on PCs. :-(
Post #249,490 by folkert 3/27/06 1:37:04 PM Reply	Since I started using the Official Sun JRE/JDKs and not the IBM or Blackwatch builds, most things have calmed down for me. I still have one application written a long time ago that causes fits. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #249,634 by tuberculosis 3/28/06 11:35:58 AM Reply	Exercising restraint..... [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #249,627 by admin 3/28/06 11:01:01 AM Reply	Updated to 10.4.5, disabled all Dashboard widgets No lockups since then, and Duncan is keeping a log of everything they do on the computer. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #249,633 by drewk 3/28/06 11:33:34 AM Reply	Now, when a user says, "I can't keep track of all that" ... We can all say, "I know a guy whose 10-year-old can do it. Should we hire him?" === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #249,752 by ben_tilly 3/28/06 10:42:02 PM Reply	Knowing the 10 year old, I'd say we should! I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #249,755 by pwhysall 3/29/06 12:39:28 AM Reply	Nah. It's the parents, see. Can you imagine having your star employee picked up by a goomba-bird-waving, spork-using, spooky-glowing-eye-having danger to society like wor Scott? Wouldn't do much for the share price, I wot. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #249,762 by ben_tilly 3/29/06 3:49:01 AM Reply	That's argument #1 for telecommuting I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #249,779 by drewk 3/29/06 8:45:32 AM Reply	No, taking meetings in your bathrobe is argument #1 === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #249,781 by pwhysall 3/29/06 9:22:05 AM Reply	"Bathrobe"? How extravagant. Au naturel, baby. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #249,782 by drewk 3/29/06 9:29:42 AM Reply	As long as you know where your towel is === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #249,840 by ben_tilly 3/29/06 1:46:33 PM Reply	Argument #1 for the employer, not the employee I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

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