Vista will be late.

Post #248,786 by Another Scott 3/21/06 11:13:18 PM Reply	Vista will be late. How can that be? MS is always on time with their OSes... [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/21/AR2006032101292.html\|Washington Post]: Wednesday, March 22, 2006; Page D01 Microsoft Corp. said yesterday that it will delay the debut of its new operating system, Vista, until next January instead of releasing it later this year, setting off predictions for slower PC sales and delivering a market opportunity for rival Apple Computer Inc. Microsoft said it postponed its first new operating system since 2001 because of concerns about the security of the system from viruses and hackers and after deciding that it could not reliably deliver the product to all its retailers during the holiday season. Two years in the making, Vista had already been delayed twice. [...] Cheers, Scott.
Post #248,789 by Steve Lowe 3/22/06 12:02:41 AM Reply	s/./r. -- Steve [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu]
Post #248,801 by ben_tilly 3/22/06 1:54:15 AM Reply	That doesn't do what you think it does. :-P I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #249,797 by jb4 3/29/06 10:16:37 AM Reply	how 'bout s/\\./.r jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #249,842 by ben_tilly 3/29/06 1:49:09 PM Reply	That was my point, exactly. I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #249,876 by jb4 3/29/06 4:08:50 PM Reply	K3wl! I lernt linnix! jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #249,916 by folkert 3/29/06 7:47:47 PM Reply	No... yew lurnt bash escapes and regex -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #249,977 by ben_tilly 3/30/06 1:44:07 AM Reply	What do bash escapes have to do with that? I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #250,736 by jb4 4/3/06 1:04:08 PM Reply	You're right... ...you don't do subtle.... jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #248,802 by cforde 3/22/06 1:57:20 AM Reply	colour me unsurprised Apple: Mac OS X first released March 2001 Microsoft: Windows XP first released October 2001 Since then, Mac OS X has had four major updates. Windows XP has had service packs and hot fixes. What do you think, will Leopard beat Vista to market? Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #248,803 by drewk 3/22/06 2:17:08 AM Reply	Sorry, I've used up that crayon Will you settle for Burnt Umber? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #250,886 by bepatient 4/4/06 1:11:30 PM Reply	Same reaction to this post.. ..as to the forum named Microsoft is Guilty. Every time I read it my mind says... Well DUH! If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #251,059 by pwhysall 4/5/06 2:05:04 AM Reply	This is a crucial point in MS's corporate lifecycle I believe that Vista represents the functional limits of the MS development processes. Simply put, they don't scale up to this project. Without the untouchable presences of Gates and Ballmer at the helm (any other CEO would have been fired long since), I don't believe they'd have been able to sustain anything like this. (To be honest, they didn't scale up to NT4, 2000 or XP either, but none of those projects was THIS late and had THIS many features dropped - although the object filesystem was supposed to be in NT4...) Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #251,061 by cforde 4/5/06 2:57:15 AM Reply	assuredly so can you say [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1681636,00.asp\|Software Assurance]? So far, the money Microsoft has received in SA licenses has resulted in a net loss to customers. [link\|http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html#c114309086992411929\|Apparently], some of those licenses are due to expire at the end of the year. So Microsoft has to ship something before the end of the year or risk their largest customers suing them for fraud. Which explains why Vista will be released to corporate customers before it is available to everyone else. Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #251,323 by jb4 4/7/06 1:40:57 PM Reply	s/Vista/a mere shadow of something resembling Vista/ jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
Post #251,325 by Another Scott 4/7/06 2:27:09 PM Reply	Cringely says it's the big OEM's fault. It seems they need too much time for testing... [link\|http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060406.html\|Cringely at PBS]: It is easy to forget that Microsoft works mainly through its OEM partners, which include Dell, HP, and many others. If Microsoft announces a date by which some future product is going to be available, they can only do so with the agreement of the OEMs. I know we hear (and I write) a lot about Microsoft beating up its partners, but Bill Gates can't put new software on a Dell computer without Michael Dell's permission. According to those familiar with the way Dell qualifies new software, they are very careful about their shipping OS/application sets. They put together new builds every quarter, and test them for a full quarter. This means that to ship something in October it has to be into a build set in July, which means it has to be slotted some time in April. And that's just for an application. Now imagine what Dell's test plan looks like for a whole new operating system. Remember, Microsoft announced a delay of availability to the public, but absolutely nothing changed about their Release To Manufacturing (RTM) date. So what happened is reality finally set in at Microsoft. I'm saying it was Dell, but it could as easily been HP, which of course has to work that much further ahead because, unlike Dell, HP manufactures for distribution through resellers. So Microsoft possibly could have stuck to its original November availability estimate, but that would have meant a Christmas with Vista available only from second-tier PC manufacturers, and darned few of those. The only shocking thing here is that this seems to have somehow taken Microsoft by surprise. If they didn't realize internally that shipping a new OS for Christmas means getting final bits to the OEMs in July, they have problems in the Windows division far beyond just their ability to ship. Maybe... He also says some implausible stuff about Apple making a reverse BootCamp that will let OS X run on "bog-standard 32-bit PC hardware". I think Steve would like to have that option, but unless there was a very restricted set of supported hardware it's hard to see how Apple could make a go of that. Cheers, Scott.
Post #251,330 by altmann 4/7/06 3:23:20 PM Reply	The RTM Date DID Slip From August To November. That caused the rest to cascade into 2007 as he describes. -- Chris Altmann
Post #251,353 by pwhysall 4/7/06 8:07:37 PM Reply	Cringely is overrated. In fact, I regard him as only slightly less stupid as Dvorak. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #251,354 by Another Scott 4/7/06 8:12:39 PM Reply	Did Peter just make a grammar error?!?!
Post #251,360 by pwhysall 4/7/06 8:58:18 PM Reply	No. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #251,364 by Another Scott 4/7/06 9:04:27 PM Reply	"X less stupid as Y" is a strange construct to these eyes.
Post #251,372 by Silverlock 4/7/06 9:36:09 PM 4/7/06 9:39:15 PM Reply	Ditto As ... than, not as ... as is what I'm used to seeing. /edit spelling ----------------------------------------- Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now. Edited by Silverlock April 7, 2006, 09:39:15 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #251,389 by a6l6e6x 4/8/06 8:20:34 AM Reply	Temporarily skip over the qualifying "only slightly less". Alex When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
Post #251,395 by Another Scott 4/8/06 9:54:23 AM Reply	That works, but it's not quite the same. Unless a comma (or dash) is present somewhere, or unless it ends a sentence, I almost always see a "than" follow a "less" in a sentence. [link\|http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/grammar/Pronoun3.html\|E.g.]: No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. I find 79,000 hits for "as less as" (in quotes) on Google. In the examples I see, I would be most likely to use "as little as" (37.7 M hits) or "as few as" (4.9 M hits) instead. Skipping over "only slightly less" dramatically changes the meaning for me. Instead of it being a comparison, it lumps them together. "I regard X as I regard Y." If I couldn't use "than", I would have expressed that as, something like, "I have less regard for X; like I have little regard for Y." In other words, I think the "less" is being used as an implied comparison, not to indicate near equality of regard. Short subject lines are a bitch. I'm not saying Peter's wrong. Just that it is an expression I don't recall seeing before. English is neat like that. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #251,490 by CRConrad 4/10/06 3:55:09 AM Reply	Doesn't work; that's the operative part of the sentence.
Post #251,491 by CRConrad 4/10/06 3:55:50 AM Reply	Yes.
Post #251,399 by boxley 4/8/06 10:13:37 AM Reply	which cringley, there are several of them Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #251,486 by static 4/10/06 12:18:25 AM Reply	The one on pbs.org "Insert crowbar. Apply force."

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