Post #246,654
3/3/06 10:31:38 AM
3/3/06 10:32:22 AM
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One small point of clarification:
Note that oil prices haven't come down much since Katrina... Actually, oil prices have comen down somewhat, from over $70/bbl int he Katrina aftermath to the low $60's/bbl today (in fact, last week they were belo w $60/bbl). the price of gasoline on the other hand has not gone down. In fact, at my station they are as high now (w/ $62/bbl oil) as they were post-Katrina (at $70/bbl oil). So anybody (like BeeP) who stubbornly insists that the "market will adjust" is either lying, or ignoring the increasingly obvious fact that the "market" is being manipulated. I wish I had thought to track gasoline prices vs. oil prices to be able to graphically represent how badly we're being screwed. I should get started now, because it isn't likely to get better (until 2008). 34% and falling.... jb4
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Edited by jb4
March 3, 2006, 10:32:22 AM EST
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Post #246,662
3/3/06 11:01:47 AM
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It's around $2.35/gal for regular, $2.70/gal diesel here.
The peak I saw was about $3.50/gal for regular, so it's come down off the peak, but is more slowly dropping now. One guy's personal history of gas purchase prices is [link|http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html|here]. It covers 1979 - present. IV writes: So anybody (like BeeP) who stubbornly insists that the "market will adjust" is either lying, or ignoring the increasingly obvious fact that the "market" is being manipulated. There may be some manipulation on the part of the oil and gasoline companies, but there doesn't have to be for the prices to rise quickly and fall relatively slowly. Prices are, in part, based on expected replacement costs. So they have to have some forward-looking component (and not just be based on the spot price). Cheers, Scott.
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Post #247,085
3/7/06 12:17:19 PM
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My heart bleeds
I'm currently paying around 90p a litre, depending on where I fill up.
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Post #247,090
3/7/06 12:50:35 PM
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$5.92/gallon. Not bad. :-/
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Post #247,096
3/7/06 1:57:41 PM
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YMMV
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #246,699
3/3/06 4:19:45 PM
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My gas prices are down somewhat
From about $3.00 to $2.40.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #246,711
3/3/06 5:05:23 PM
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I'm paying $1.99, significantly lower than post Katrina.
And what you are seeing, my friend, is that refining costs in the Katrina affected regions are still somewhat higher as the major refineries struggle to get all their capacity back. The difference between barrel price of oil and barrel price of gasoline (or heating oil or jet fuel) is call the "crack spread"...and in the immediate aftermath of Katrina was nearly as high as 50$ a bbl for jet fuel. So while you saw $70 oil, the airlines saw $125bbl jet fuel pricing...where the normal markup would be in the 4-10 range (seasonal).
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Post #246,980
3/6/06 10:07:33 AM
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OK, so riddle me this, Batman...
Since Katrina, the refining capability has improved, right? I mean, we've recovered a lot (but not all) our refining capability. So the price of gasoline (the refined distillate of that $70/bbl oil) would, if the market is not being diddled, come down, as the supply of said distillate is up. Therefore, for a constant cost of the raw material, the price of gasoline should be dropping as the ability to refine it increases. Basic supply-and-demand market economics. Furthermore, as the cost of the raw material decreases, and the capability (and fixed cost) to refine said raw material remains constant, the cost of the refiend product should continue to decrease, again if the market is not being diddled.
So here we are, with increased manufacturing capability (with reference to Katrina-aftermath levels), and a roughly 12% drop in the cost of the raw materials that go into that manufacturing process, roughly constant demand...and increasing prices for the manufactured product.
Things that make you (well, maybe not you, BeeP, but the rest of us) say, "Hmmmmm...".
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #246,986
3/6/06 11:17:38 AM
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It also depends
on where you are, since the US has "allowable" grades and blends that are specific to regions..and each is going to rely on the capacity of the particular refineries.
In addition, it will take time for the reduction to work its way through the system.
Expecting the price at the pump to follow the price of oil precisely is simply showing that you don't completely understand how that gas gets to the pump in the first place.
What you are ignoring...the companies raised their prices immediately. That was the robbery. They were selling gas that had already been through the system and selling it at prices that reflected what the current cost would be. What do you get? Windfall.
And, in case you missed my first post, my price at the pump is down SIGNIFICANTLY from the Katrina spike (and hey, I only get full serve in NJ) . So maybe yours didn't, and that would mean you are likely being fed from the pipeline that comes from the effected refineries...and your buddies aren't cutting back on their guzzle at the pumps.
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Post #247,078
3/7/06 11:14:18 AM
3/7/06 11:15:29 AM
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Prices jumped up this past weekend for me
As of Friday morning, regular unleaded was $2.09 at a grocery store's pumps. (I'm still amazed how a grocery store generally sells gas at the cheapest price here in Texas. Of course, I still can't get over how gas prices in Austin are generally 10 cents or more lower than in Houston, the gas capital of the country).
By Friday night the price went to $2.15. On Sunday it went to $2.18.
This morning the same grocery store has regular unleaded for $2.27.
[edit: fixed typo]
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Edited by lincoln
March 7, 2006, 11:15:29 AM EST
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