Is it the same mosque when Sadr was holed up?

<memory type="gruesome">I'm still recalling Rand's bit of magic[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=151194|...]</memory>

In doing some searching around on a recent topic, I came across this [link|http://timelines.ws/countries/SAUDIARABIA.HTML|timeline]:

1979 Nov 16, Some 200 armed men and women, Mahadi-ists, seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca. They denounced the monarchy and demanded an end to corrupting modernization and "foreign ways." French special forces shot dead all the Wahhabi extremists. (SSFC, 10/21/01, p.C3)(WSJ, 11/12/03, p.A18)

The [link|http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=ab1af369b732d8446bf5f80f6d045916|Mahadi-ists] are "followers of a messiah or guide to a purer faith". Sadr's militia is called the [link|http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-sadr.htm|Mahdi Army]. "The Mahdi prepares the way for the second coming of the Prophet Isa (Jesus) and the impending end of the world." Surely the groups share some sort of kinship of belief (I don't know enough about English translation of Arabic to know if they're actually using the same term).

I had forgotten about that incident in Mecca in 1979. Can it be a coincidence that that happened only [link|http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/hostages.phtml|12 days after the US Embassy was stormed in Tehran]?

I thought the connections were rather [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian%29|James Burke-ish]...

Cheers,
Scott.

Post #245,852 by Arkadiy 2/22/06 9:54:50 PM Reply	Is it the same mosque when Sadr was holed up? What was the point of US troops getting killed, God damn it? Some barbarians just came a bit later and tore it down anyway. This is some methaphisical reward for those who danced in the streets on 9/11. What started with our buildings ends with their shrine. And "you ain't seen nutting yet" [link\|http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1796\|http://www.channel4....ypage.jsp?id=1796] ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #246,067 by scoenye 2/24/06 1:49:49 PM Reply	Sadr was in Najaf. This is Samara
Post #246,110 by Arkadiy 2/24/06 8:41:32 PM Reply	Thanks for clarification. Still, bad enough. ------ 179. I will not outsource core functions. -- [link\|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm\|.]
Post #246,123 by Another Scott 2/24/06 11:21:01 PM Reply	Speaking of Sadr. <memory type="gruesome">I'm still recalling Rand's bit of magic[link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=151194\|...]</memory> In doing some searching around on a recent topic, I came across this [link\|http://timelines.ws/countries/SAUDIARABIA.HTML\|timeline]: 1979 Nov 16, Some 200 armed men and women, Mahadi-ists, seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca. They denounced the monarchy and demanded an end to corrupting modernization and "foreign ways." French special forces shot dead all the Wahhabi extremists. (SSFC, 10/21/01, p.C3)(WSJ, 11/12/03, p.A18) The [link\|http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=ab1af369b732d8446bf5f80f6d045916\|Mahadi-ists] are "followers of a messiah or guide to a purer faith". Sadr's militia is called the [link\|http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-sadr.htm\|Mahdi Army]. "The Mahdi prepares the way for the second coming of the Prophet Isa (Jesus) and the impending end of the world." Surely the groups share some sort of kinship of belief (I don't know enough about English translation of Arabic to know if they're actually using the same term). I had forgotten about that incident in Mecca in 1979. Can it be a coincidence that that happened only [link\|http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/hostages.phtml\|12 days after the US Embassy was stormed in Tehran]? I thought the connections were rather [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian%29\|James Burke-ish]... Cheers, Scott.

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