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New Speed Limits
In the interest of full disclosure: Yes, I speed, in some circumstances. I do NOT speed in residential areas or shopping districts, and only very rarely in places where lots of people are working.

Speed limits are arbitrary numbers set up to ensure that there are some minimum number of violators, so as to keep revenues up.

Yes, at any given speed, an increase of n mph increases the probability of an accident by x percent, and the seriousness of the accident by y percent. The relation is fundamentally a square, because of the momentum involved. We who drive calculate that probability [very optimistically, I'm afraid] and balance it against the "goodness" of getting there more quickly. If you're not willing to make that tradeoff, then any nonzero speed is "too dangerous".

Last week I traveled over 1400 miles. At 50 mph that would have taken 28 hours; at 70 it took 20 -- clear profit of eight hours, since I didn't hit anything. Please note that that eight hours profit was not accrued just to me -- my companion received the same benefit, and (if it's true that I'm providing a useful service to the economy) so did the economy as a whole, in that that eight hours was available to the world in general as work time from me.

Sadly enough, there are a lot of people who also speed in non-highway conditions: neighborhoods, parking lots, dense business areas. The clearest proof that the assertion I opened with is there, too. Find a cop in a neighborhood, especially a poor one with kids playing in the street. Find a cop patrolling the tiltups. It's a useful exercise to have an accident in a residential neighborhood. If you want a cop there in less than two hours, about the only way is to get a neighbor to report that somebody has a gun.

If "speed limits" equaled "safety" then the police would concentrate their efforts on construction zones, residential neighborhoods, and busy shopping areas. Instead, in the United States at least, the place you'll find them is on nice, long, straight stretches, the flatter and less traveled the better, with their radars out. Stretches where the posted speed limit is at least ten MPH below the rational one, so as to maximize their take. And if the traffic density rises above a certain point they disappear. At eight AM you can travel as fast as you like on Airport Freeway in Fort Worth -- there won't be a cop within two blocks, because it's dangerous out there; the result is that the "flow" occurs at around seventy. But at ten PM, keep it below sixty -- they'll ticket you for five over, because there's nobody around for them to dodge. There's also the small town I have to travel through occasionally. The town is newly incorporated, and wants to make its mark on the world, so they cut the limit on a country road by ten MPH and bought a new police car. People have noticed, I assure you.

And the worst part is -- scofflawing on those grounds gets overgeneralized. The State of Virginia has some of the stupidest speed limits I've seen -- way too fast in residential neighborhoods and shopping districts, way too slow on the Interstate -- and the police are all concentrated on the Interstate. It's real easy for a driver to look at the artificially low, revenue-generating limit on the Interstate and say, "Well, that's full of shit. How much of the rest [of the regulations] is full of shit too?"

Funny thing, too. I'm a middle-aged white male, and when I'm speeding I'm usually in a van that looks businesslike. I've been stopped, but not very often -- and it's common for me to see drivers being stopped who were traveling at about my speed, or less. Remarkable that they all tend to be (1) young, (2) black or hispanic, and (3) driving nice cars, eh?

Another funny thing. Here in Texas, a few years ago, most of the speed traps just disappeared. Even Estelline! I couldn't figure it out. Turns out they'd changed the law about speeding fines -- most of the money now goes to the State, who dole it out according to the population of the town or county. Truly remarkable how "unsafe" speeds suddenly became "safe" when there wasn't as much profit in it.

Many States have differential speed limits for heavy vehicles. Cars 65 or 70, trucks 50 or 55. I know of no state that enforces those differential limits -- we certainly don't here. The reason for that is left as an exercise for the student, but it's one of the really big places where the "that's full of shit" reaction occurs.

So no, speeding itself isn't malum in se. In most places it's barely malum prohibitorum -- mostly it's finding ways to pay of the JP's new Cadillac. And if you don't drive regularly, you'll probably wind up being real impressed by the speeches in council about "improving the safety on the roads" by setting up roadblocks. It's a nice way to cut your tax burden, isn't it?
Regards,
Ric
New Geeks on speed
I think Ric and I have similar driving habits.

In my summer's travels (~8,000 miles, all range of conditions, cross country and then some), I probably drove a good 4,000 miles in excess of 75 MPH. I know my truck tops out just over 100 MPH on the flat, and comfortable speed ranges to 85-95 in good conditions. I'll make good time on good roads in light traffic. I found that slowing down through urban areas tends to reduce the threat profile of speeding tickets (the cops don't like being out in the boonies either), as does staying off the Interstates. I've had a grand total of four speeding tickets in sixteen years of driving.

My view on speed laws is this: speed is a readily measured, easily assessed, metric. It's far easier to determine that a vehicle is speeding than if the driver is drunk, stoned, tired, or too ill to drive. Than if the vehicle has bad brakes, busted pollution controls, or other mechanical deficit. Than that the driver's been tailgating, changing lanes without signalling, engaging in distracting activities (tallking on a mobile, eating, dressing, applying make-up, shaving, having sex). The Texas funding change is an interesting one -- I strongly suspect that if the revenue link disappeared, so would most speed traps.

I also feel very strongly about slowing down through pedestrian areas, regardless of posted limits. No mean feat on US 50 through the midwest, where it seems like the towns come every five or six miles (almost European scale). And particularly around residential areas near where I'm at.

The street I've lived on for the past two and a half years parallels a congested portion of El Camino Real in Menlo Park. It's a block from the Menlo PD, but still gets a fair number of high-speed vehicles (it's a 25 MPH zone). There is a school at one end, a church at the other, two blind junctions mid-way, apartments and houses the length, with seniors, kids, pets, cyclists, and a fair pedestrian flow. As I was getting into my truck one night a month back, I heard and saw a car accelerating rapidly up the street...so I stood in its path (and yes, I'd have dodged if he hadn't slowed down). Turns out the driver was an (off-duty) cop. I exchanged a few words with him, he was somewhat combative, I reported the incident. Fun little exercise.

There's a bit of sanity returning to speed laws. The lifting of the 55 MPH limit is one of the best things to happen. I also think that the constant irritant of a law which quite obviously can't be effectively enforced leads to a more general contempt of law, harmful in the long run. At the very least, we become legal relativists "breaking this law isn't so bad", and laws be come arbitrary "we've got something to hang you with should we need it".
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New Houston is in its own little world
Right before the first of this year, the paper and TV newscasts announced how the state and/or surrounding counties were cutting speed limits on major highways from 60 to 70 DOWN TO 55. Why......?

TO CUT EMISSIONS THAT CAUSE AIR POLLUTION!

I kid you not - that was the announced reason to reduce the speed limit .

Can someone explain it to a dimwit like me how driving slower, not counting traffic jams from the morning and evening rush hours, is supposed to reduce air pollution?
BConnors
"Prepare for metamorphosis. Ready, Kafka?"
New here's something
[link|http://www.nsta.org/Energy/fn_speedlimits.html|Facts about speed limits]

Scroll down a bit to "Pollution" and you'll find

Other things being equal, going slower produces less pollution ... just 10% of the cars generate half the polution from mobile sources. The \ufffdgross emitters\ufffd are improperly tuned or lack catalytic converters.

If that 10% generating 50% is true then it seems to me that emisions testing would do a lot towards cutting down on the pollution. A few years back we had emissions testing in Houston, but it was stopped because it "penalized the poor" - even though they'd let a car pass if the owner spent at least $100 in an attempt to make it complient (ie: give the car a tune up).

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

     $103,000 speeding ticket for 46 mph in a 31 mph zone - (SpiceWare) - (39)
         Sounds reasonable to me - (pwhysall) - (21)
             Oh, I dunno - (jb4)
             you dont drive do you. :) -NT - (boxley) - (19)
                 No. - (pwhysall) - (18)
                     Doesn't alter the fact. - (Meerkat) - (1)
                         How do you think the Police make their money? - (nking)
                     They drive like maniacs near me - (nking) - (4)
                         The difference between St. Louis & Chicago - (jb4)
                         Heh, a lot refers to Sydney as well :) - (Meerkat) - (2)
                             Re: Sydney drivers r pretty good these days - tis the K1W1s - (dmarker2) - (1)
                                 In Thailand it is much worse - (nking)
                     Speed Limits - (Ric Locke) - (3)
                         Geeks on speed - (kmself) - (2)
                             Houston is in its own little world - (bconnors) - (1)
                                 here's something - (SpiceWare)
                     Pretty simplistic dismissal - (Ashton) - (1)
                         Needless distinction - (drewk)
                     First you make an annoying assumption that Americans - (boxley) - (4)
                         tire chirpers? - (wharris2) - (1)
                             Whenever I hear one o' those chirps - (Ashton)
                         Aha! - (Ric Locke) - (1)
                             naw got a right wrist problem - (boxley)
         But was it a "real" 31 mph zone? - (wharris2) - (16)
             It was in Finland, and based on his income in 1999 - (nking) - (15)
                 Re: It was in Finland, and based on his income in 1999 - (wharris2) - (14)
                     Is that like income-based income tax? :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                     That's bullshit, Will. - (CRConrad) - (12)
                         Re: Gotta agree on this 'un - (dmarker2)
                         Bullshit my ass - (wharris2) - (10)
                             Re: It really is relative - (dmarker2)
                             Yes, your ass, then - 'cos it is. - (CRConrad) - (8)
                                 perhaps a loss of driving privileges would serve as well? - (boxley) - (7)
                                     Yes, but then again, it wasn't all *that* bad; only speeding - (CRConrad) - (6)
                                         However eminently sensible is this sliding scale.. - (Ashton) - (3)
                                             Licence Demerit Points. - (Meerkat) - (2)
                                                 Yes, CA has that too - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                     mind your L's and P's - (Meerkat)
                                         On the sliding scale - (wharris2) - (1)
                                             OK! -NT - (CRConrad)

I can't shake this feeling from my head.
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