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New I know that one buddy has been looking constantly
for a job, any job, that pays more than 17.50/hr. He made 75k doing the same thing two years ago. His case isn't isolated, either. Two other of my other buddies are in the same straights.

I have 2 friends looking for work that would take a big pay cut, but still can't find jobs.

A friend's wife NEEDS the money her job provides, and will do anything her job says, bad or not, stupid or not, abusive or not - because she hasn't seen anything that she's qualified for that pays more than 1/2 what she earns now.

Let's see - I'm way better than I was 2 years ago, I'm paying off some longstanding debts, but I had to leave my family and friends to get work (granted, I'm probably over-specialized) but - let's just say I did not enjoy being uprooted. The datapoints that I've seen directly, those do NOT point to economic good news.

I haven't heard anything from anybody down here that things are getting better.

No Bill, I'll stick with what I actually see and hear. Am I a statistical sample that an economist can use? Of course not. From where I sit, things are NOT getting better, so quoting reports that say they are better is like quoting from the MS 'Linux Reference Center' to me.

*note - of the people I talk about above, only 1 has an IT-related job.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New *grin* OT
Happy New Year!

Went to see a friend's band at a VFW. Lots of fun! A little loud though - my good ear s ringing...

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Lots of us moved against our wishes



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
     Inflation at 16.7%? - (inthane-chan) - (120)
         Not inflation - (bepatient)
         yeah, dont buy gold when its high and distrust - (boxley) - (118)
             Figured it was something like that. - (inthane-chan) - (117)
                 economics is reasonably simple - (boxley) - (116)
                     Yep - Repos in power, Economy down, Dems in - E up - (tuberculosis) - (115)
                         old sayin g repos depression demos war - (boxley)
                         Thats pretty funny - (bepatient) - (113)
                             Oh yeah. The economy has 'recovered' - (imric)
                             The numbers support it - (ben_tilly)
                             You mean these numbers? - (tuberculosis) - (110)
                                 Bah. Who needs facts when you have dogma? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                     My karma ran over his dogma -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                 First of all, the stock market is not the economy - (bepatient) - (107)
                                     You'll have to do better - (tuberculosis) - (21)
                                         Tom Toles: 12/25/2005. 39 kB .img - (Another Scott)
                                         Your first link - (bepatient) - (19)
                                             One indicator supports it - (ben_tilly) - (17)
                                                 Dont know too much about that but this year was the - (boxley)
                                                 And this is due to a late - (bepatient) - (15)
                                                     Re: And this is due to ---- projections R'us? - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                         And your anectodal - (bepatient)
                                                     Those indicators indicate a likely net loss of disposable $$ - (tuberculosis) - (12)
                                                         ???? - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                             Not just IT - (imric) - (5)
                                                                 I think it's going to go something like this... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                     Another Scott for President! - (imqwerky)
                                                                 Microelectronics???? - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                     "NEVER"? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                         Never is what adults say - (bepatient)
                                                             Then I can't afford the job I have - (tuberculosis)
                                                             Actually our whole economy is under threat - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                 I absolutely agree - (bepatient)
                                                                 Well said. - (a6l6e6x)
                                                         dittos on the fixed mortgage, you greedy on housing - (boxley)
                                             we all know capitalism is selling surplus - (boxley)
                                     And the PEOPLE, Bill? - (imric) - (84)
                                         You keep railing on this - (bepatient) - (83)
                                             How people feel is the only worthwhile indicator - (tuberculosis) - (71)
                                                 Ed Zachary. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                     I can't be quiet any longer - (imqwerky) - (1)
                                                         Salaries of 60-100K are excellent money. - (mmoffitt)
                                                 I have money to blow on cool shit and trips or I don't. - (boxley) - (67)
                                                     But it's not just "his" field, man. - (mmoffitt) - (66)
                                                         Very funny - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             Funny numbers - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                 And in the same amount of time - (bepatient)
                                                         at $60 a barrel the oil sector looks promising - (boxley) - (62)
                                                             Sometimes choices are limited. - (Another Scott)
                                                             Yeea, it was move and work or stay and wait for bank repo - (tuberculosis) - (60)
                                                                 So? I have done that 3 times in 5 years - (boxley) - (59)
                                                                     And there should be something in between. - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                                                                         forced equity distribution is stealing ya should know better - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                             And if we are to escape the bonds of our past... - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                                                                 I know you have some training - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                     Bwah? - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                                                         {chortle} - (Ashton)
                                                                     Me too - sick of being migrant worker - (tuberculosis) - (52)
                                                                         you are trying to fix yesterdays problem - (boxley) - (51)
                                                                             Deregulation fsked Delta Pilots. Not their union. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (50)
                                                                                 Keep telling yourself that. - (bepatient) - (49)
                                                                                     Right. - (mmoffitt) - (48)
                                                                                         I might be missing something - (drewk)
                                                                                         Less competition? - (ben_tilly) - (38)
                                                                                             Really? - (mmoffitt) - (37)
                                                                                                 There have been some casualties but... - (ben_tilly)
                                                                                                 In their place is - (bepatient) - (35)
                                                                                                     Independence and ATA? You're kidding, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (34)
                                                                                                         Why would i be kidding? - (bepatient) - (33)
                                                                                                             Don't forget crappy service. - (Another Scott) - (18)
                                                                                                                 Those things exist - (bepatient) - (13)
                                                                                                                     You missed my point. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                                                         I more "bypassed" it that missed it. - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                                             My TDI wagon gets 50-51 mpg highway. $25-$30 each way. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                                                                 Would I complain of seat pitch... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                                                     Yeah, the backseat is tight. - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                     WHAT? - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                                                                                         I suspect it's something like this. - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                                         You may want to check with a real person - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                                                             Mea Culpa - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                                                                 I am talking fares The People pay. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                                                     But business class pays for the people - (ben_tilly)
                                                                                                                                     Business Class is C or J or D or Z - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                                                         There's no "class" at all in Fort Wayne. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                                 Driving > Flying - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                                                                                     Got iPod? -NT - (admin) - (2)
                                                                                                                         Ar, and an iTrip. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                                                                             ++fsckinga -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                                                                                             ATA's bankrupt, for instance. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                                                                                                                 So? - (bepatient) - (12)
                                                                                                                     Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                                                                                                                         So are you officially changing your point now? - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                                                                                             he officially changed his point by not offering $39 - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                                                                                 :0) - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                                                                                                     AvGas is cheaper - (drewk) - (6)
                                                                                                                                         Show me the brewery, dairy, olive oil or corn oil company - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                                                                                                             There's this saying I like - (drewk) - (4)
                                                                                                                                                 Let me see if I'm hearing you right. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                                                                                     More like we're screwing ourselves, but close enough - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                                                                                                         I do my part. I don't even own a car. - (Silverlock)
                                                                                                                                                 .oO0 Brevity Award 0Oo. ___with 3 K-Y packets. - (Ashton)
                                                                                                                             FWA's available destinations and carriers have been hit. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                         You are so wrong here I don't know how to respond - (bepatient) - (7)
                                                                                             easy response, the next bash Mikey is the taxi driver - (boxley) - (6)
                                                                                                 Make sure.. - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                                     OTOH - (imric) - (4)
                                                                                                         Thats true, BUT - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                             Don't give up your day job.... :-) -NT - (jbrabeck)
                                                                                                             OK.. That___earns you a challenge - - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                                                                 ICpartialLRPD - (drewk)
                                             Which kind of average? - (ben_tilly)
                                             I know that one buddy has been looking constantly - (imric) - (2)
                                                 *grin* OT - (imric)
                                                 Lots of us moved against our wishes -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                             Ah, the Logical Positivism of Econ catechism. - (Ashton) - (6)
                                                 Nicely confused - (bepatient)
                                                 its not like its a new concept, read yer history - (boxley) - (4)
                                                     That was then. - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                         that is now, people dont change - (boxley) - (2)
                                                             No, that is not 'people' - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                 my kids are all feral, good trainer, not :-( -NT - (boxley)

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