Post #239,176
12/23/05 10:20:01 AM
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Here we often call them cell phones.
Not only because there is an antenna (whose location is fixed and known) that is responsible for providing service in that geographical cell, but also because the government can pick you up easily and put you in a cell of another kind.
Actually, there was a case in South Carolina in recent years where a man driving a fancy car (Lexus I think) was robbed and then killed. The killers then used his cell phone to make numerous calls. Their choice virtually identified them by whom they called and they were apprehended. It pays to know how things work!
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #239,177
12/23/05 10:36:46 AM
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There's the case of the "cell phone bandit" too.
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/13/AR2005121300898.html|Washington Post]: Candice R. Martinez, the 19-year-old woman who gained national notoriety by robbing four banks while talking on her cell phone, pleaded guilty yesterday in federal court in Alexandria to two felony charges and faces a possible sentence of 12 years or more in prison.
Martinez, originally from Santa Fe, N.M., moved to Northern Virginia in the summer and began taking classes at Northern Virginia Community College. It was there that she met Dave C. Williams, also 19, a former teller at a Wachovia Bank branch in Vienna.
[...] Being caught on video multiple times probably didn't help either... AFAIK, almost all recent cell phones in the US have some GPS location capability, so it won't be long before they'll know exactly where we are when we talk on our phones (assuming they can solve the problem of not easily being able to see the satellites indoors), if they want... Cheers, Scott.
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Post #239,183
12/23/05 11:07:48 AM
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Doubt if we'll need to talk
as long as cell phone is on, it's communicating with cell towers. Extension would be to believe that as long as it's on, GPS could find you...
That's why I have my ancient StarTac phone. No camera, no graphics, no ring tones. Just a plain telephone.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #239,194
12/23/05 11:36:13 AM
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triangulation would find any cell phone
only use it for outbound calls and turn it off otherwise.
thanx,
bill
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Post #239,204
12/23/05 11:59:55 AM
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Simpler solution.
Don't have a cell phone. I'm doing great without one.
Also, I've heard that even with it off, the most recent generation still have the capacity to respond to a request for location - meaning the only way to be truly private is to pull the battery. :P
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #239,206
12/23/05 12:15:21 PM
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Acme Niobium/Iridium Faraday cage for cell phones:
It's the latest in tinfoil hattery for when you want to decide when you're found.
</GaryOwens>
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #239,205
12/23/05 12:00:15 PM
12/23/05 3:12:32 PM
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Would take a little longer with triangulation vs GPS
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Edited by jbrabeck
Dec. 23, 2005, 03:12:32 PM EST
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Post #239,245
12/23/05 3:09:57 PM
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Wouldn't that be pentangulation?
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #239,282
12/23/05 8:40:24 PM
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Do US phones tell the user where they are?
It's just a gimmick, but sitting there watching the phone change suburbs, even when standing in the same spot, can be amusing for a minute or two. And sometimes the carriers put a different message on, like a Merry Xmas, or a 'go the swannies!', even a Happy Mardi Gras.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #239,286
12/24/05 1:04:49 AM
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You must be joking.
Here in the U.S., cell phone providers charge for everything. Feliciations and good wishes? That'll be $40/month.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #239,300
12/24/05 9:28:46 AM
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You have to pull the battery
to make it go silent. Powering off will NOT eliminate the "chirps" that can be detected and tracked by the right equipment.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #239,594
12/27/05 5:56:43 PM
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Even the CIA don't know this.
Per the [link|http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0512250380dec25,1,7824008.story?ctrack=1&cset=true|Chicago Tribune] CIA's bungled Italy job
Sloppy use of cell phones, other missteps help police unravel cleric's 2003 abduction
By John Crewdson
Tribune senior correspondent
Published December 25, 2005
MILAN, Italy -- The trick is known to just about every two-bit crook in the cellular age: If you don't want the cops to know where you are, take the battery out of your cell phone when it's not in use.
Had that trick been taught at the CIA's rural Virginia training school for covert operatives, the Bush administration might have avoided much of the current crisis in Europe over the practice the CIA calls "rendition," and CIA Director Porter Goss might not have ordered a sweeping review of the agency's field operations.
But when CIA operatives assembled here nearly three years ago to abduct an Egyptian-born Muslim preacher named Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, more familiarly known as Abu Omar, and "render" him to Cairo, they left their cell phone batteries in.
Even when not in use, a cell phone sends a periodic signal indicating its location, enabling the worldwide cellular network to know where to look for it in case of an incoming call.
Those signals allowed police investigating Abu Omar's mysterious disappearance to ultimately construct an almost minute-by-minute record of his abduction, and to identify nearly two dozen people as his abductors.
Apparently, the indiscriminate use of cell phones scuttled (or at least exposed) a black-op. So our gub'mint, after wringing their hands and having "inquiries", may have decided, "Gee, maybe we can do this, too!" jb4
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Post #239,614
12/27/05 8:32:59 PM
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Love. It.___even better -
Send "your" celfone off with another spook - - alibi-creation.
Employ several disposable new fones on a rumble; Batt-in; use once, batt-out; mash/toss.
Cheaper than those new trucks abandoned in Iraq for flat tires - new one requisitioned.
I should work for GSA. Or they, for me.
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Post #239,622
12/27/05 9:48:19 PM
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thats why you keep a trunk full of cloned cells
use and lose.
thanx,
bill
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