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New why issue a national id card when according to the Supreme
Court you are under no obligation to carry any form of identification? Of course you would need it to fly but think of how many people without drivers licenses are still driving?
thanx,
bill
My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
New Of course, you can't even cash a check...
if you don't carry one... But if you have a checking account, you can get a credit card, and noone ever seems to check for an ID when you use that bad boy... Something really screwed up here, isn't it?

I wish just once that people would request to see some ID when I put $1000.00 charges on my VISA account. Seriously. The plain and simple fact of the matter is that credit card companies want to be "ripped off" so they can justify their outrageous interest rates, IMHO.

Back to the crux... I fear the GIGO involved in the entry - way too much opportunity for graft and misuse. I don't necessarily disagree with the concept, I just don't trust society enough to make it happen. Just a few too many greedy bastards... Just my take.
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"Once she walked with umpteen million lovers face between her legs, now he's cool and stifled and it's she who has to beg. Slit skirts..."

P. Townshend

"Nietzsche has an S in it"
Celina Jones
New Re: Checking for ID with VISA
I've been using VISA -- first as credit cards now as debit cards -- for ~16 years. For the last ~12 of that, instead of signing the back, I wrote "See ID".

In that time, I've bought TV's, stereos, car repairs, lots of things at several hundred dollars. The only times anyone asks to see my ID? I'm buying socks.
We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html|Thomas Friedman]
New Checkbook register
There is exactly one teller I know of who refuses to accept a check until it is duly recorded in the customer's register (that little book in your checkbook where you are supposed to record such things). Somewhat eccentric first generation immigrant German (or thereabout) woman who runs the Purple Foot winemaking supply shop.

Seems to me that, if privacy is no issue, checking the register would be a pretty good way to verify a check. Only accept if there is a running total and the last recorded check is one number back from the current one. Better than the goofy "check numbers over 300 only" rule I've run into. Yes, it can be fudged, but it is more work than most crooks will do. And most checks bounce due to bad (read "non-existant") record-keeping, not criminal intent.

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"You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
New Credit card security
There's a few things at work here.

First, the vendor should be the one verifying your ID, they're the one on the hook for it. Of course, that's usually the corporate owner, not the $5.50/hr counter help. Your own loss is capped at $50 (and that's usually waived). The bank passes through to the vendor.

Note that realtime credit card checking does work, and is pretty efficient. One profiling system I ran across suggests that the checks are run within 30-60 seconds of purchase (and since most purchases are pre-approved, that's before you're out the door). A friend once got a call on his cell phone as he walked out the parking lot. They'd just bought gas, then about $40K of toys (a few servers). This is apparently a pretty good profile -- based on AI and neural nets, BTW.

The current system is based around the principle of stop-loss. Once a card goes wiggy, it stops approving. Even a determined theif is likely to only get a few thousand dollars out of the account tops. Overall "leakage" is on the order of a few percent.

This has interesting correspondences to anti-terror security measures. If it's possible to detect and isolate individuals and groups quickly, we'll still end up with some actions, but little effective capability. A movement that has a few tens of thousands of individuals at best, and loses large numbers of these in each engagement, has little sustaining ability. The most crucial part of the equation is a world in which the police forces can work effectively -- meaning no safe-harbors. The current approach seems to be fumbling toward this ideal.
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New Credit card security
There's a few things at work here.

First, the vendor should be the one verifying your ID, they're the one on the hook for it. Of course, that's usually the corporate owner, not the $5.50/hr counter help. Your own loss is capped at $50 (and that's usually waived). The bank passes through to the vendor.

Note that realtime credit card checking does work, and is pretty efficient. One profiling system I ran across suggests that the checks are run within 30-60 seconds of purchase (and since most purchases are pre-approved, that's before you're out the door). A friend once got a call on his cell phone as he walked out the parking lot. They'd just bought gas, then about $40K of toys (a few servers). This is apparently a pretty good profile -- based on AI and neural nets, BTW.

The current system is based around the principle of stop-loss. Once a card goes wiggy, it stops approving. Even a determined theif is likely to only get a few thousand dollars out of the account tops. Overall "leakage" is on the order of a few percent.

This has interesting correspondences to anti-terror security measures. If it's possible to detect and isolate individuals and groups quickly, we'll still end up with some actions, but little effective capability. A movement that has a few tens of thousands of individuals at best, and loses large numbers of these in each engagement, has little sustaining ability. The most crucial part of the equation is a world in which the police forces can work effectively -- meaning no safe-harbors. The current approach seems to be fumbling toward this ideal.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
[link|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/|[link|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/|http://kmself.ix.netcom.com/]]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
     Will US Citizens have to give up some more freedoms? - (nking) - (18)
         National ID card has been on the agenda - (Ashton) - (12)
             it is a really bad trend - (nking) - (1)
                 "But sir..." - (jb4)
             I'm definately not an Authoritarian... - (screamer) - (8)
                 why issue a national id card when according to the Supreme - (boxley) - (5)
                     Of course, you can't even cash a check... - (screamer) - (4)
                         Re: Checking for ID with VISA - (drewk) - (1)
                             Checkbook register - (mhuber)
                         Credit card security - (kmself)
                         Credit card security - (kmself)
                 Hmmm you do have a point.. - (Ashton) - (1)
                     In my most serious and ... - (screamer)
             National Company ID first - (tablizer)
         Actually, if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny - (Simon_Jester)
         Norm, this may depress you but... - (jb4) - (3)
             I know it already - (nking) - (2)
                 Here's an idea...LIE! - (jb4) - (1)
                     But that would be unethical - (nking)

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