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New My current top two candidates
[link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AYKUUQ|Canon Powershot SD550 7.1MP Digital Elph Camera with 3x Optical Zoom]

Ultra compact point and shooter. When you want to carry a camera all the time. I've met two people with this one and they rave about it.

For the more serious shutterbug:

[link|http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009GZSSO|Canon Powershot S2 IS 5MP Digital Camera with 12x Optical Image Stabilized Zoom]

Too big for every day, but 12x optical zoom with image stabilization (which I totally need) seems like a deal. I have a friend with one of these - he also raves.

I'm still trying to decide what kind of camera person I might be - daily or special occasions.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Check this out
Go [link|http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare.asp|here]. Set "Zoom tele (T)" to "200 mm +" and submit. The first thing up is the Canon PowerShot S1 IS. 3MP, 10x optical zoom, image stabilized, accepts wide and tele lens attachments, $216 refurb. Looking hard at this one.
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New Yeah, but that's a whole camera
So it would compete against the S2 and the S2 has more zoom.

The D550 is about the size and shape of a deck of cards and has a huge LCD.




"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Ahh.. synergy - still, all I need is___Macro!
Nice review/compare site.

Alas, sampling the comments re Canon S1 IS - macro seems to be its weak link (possibly alleviated via an overpriced? accessory kit.) Otherwise, at $216 I might have sprung, too. Most described the jitter control as bitchin, and the X10 and mondo other features. Seems a steal for everything except! what I want :(

(And according to one poster, one can.. tweak it a bit with some 'internal focus adjustments', supposedly described in the Hints & Tips forum -- but I can't envision screwdriver-adjust pots inside a consumer camera? so I kinda Doubt This.) Someone else tauted the S410 4MP ELPH for macro goodness ~ $239, but $70 for a mere AC adaptor (most of my shots will be on-site.) Will look closer at that. Canon did me a Good Turn once - so I'm biased to look there; Corp decency is so rare: even one example becomes memorable.

My now hoary hP C-20 wasn't 'good' even at car-sized objects; was merely cheap as a refurb.. at the time. A friend's early Sony Mavica - with its rilly Clever use (then) of a 3.5" floppy - was perfect for close-ups of instrument panels, scope traces etc. (even of coins: the real test.) But, wasn't mine - and too few MPs (1.2? 1.5?) for satisfactory resolution pics of anything larger.

Hmm, maybe with all you folks upgrading:
Your trade-in gots decent macro capabilities? I could be a customer.

If a coin can be shot full-size and sharp, that'd likely do for my limited aims - most pics would end up compressed to a 80-150K jpeg, anyway. USB quite preferable to {ugh} serial - though with a CF card I could just pop the sucker into an adaptor. I wouldn't need more than 32-64 MB: Gak! a GB to make that Canon into an 8-min camcorder?! Digital stuff evokes weirdness, no?

If I want panoramic or mountain pix, my trusty Canon L1A can do quite well - via real film with gamma, \ufffd-stops, and Moi setting the depth of field. I tend to prefer analog chemistry of dyes over digits, for reasons tangible and in-. Also B&W occasionally; good enough for A. Adams.


Just a thought re recycling,

moi


Did I mention?
I Hate Shopping!
There's too damn Many of these things out there professing to do All-Things 'well'. It's like ordering up a 747, built-to-specs / and with lousy after-sale service - many buyers report.


Ed tpoy
Expand Edited by Ashton Dec. 7, 2005, 03:56:13 AM EST
New For very special occasions
For significantly more money, a [link|http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/maxxum5d.html|Konica Minolta 5D] can give much better results. It has built-in anti-shake, so all lenses are stabilized; anti-shake typically lets you use a shutter speed 2-3 stops lower than without it. If you want 10x zoom, you can get either 18-200mm (27-300mm 35mm equiv) or 28-300mm zooms. For very low light, you can use primes (e.g. 50mm f1.7) or shorter zooms (e.g. 28-75 f2.8)

The bigger sensor has several advantages, including much better quality, especially at higher ISO's. For example, compare at full resolution (if Firefox scales, have it show at 100%):
[link|http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/s2is/samples/IMG_0044.JPG|Canon S2IS ISO 100]
[link|http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/s2is/samples/IMG_0048.JPG|Canon S2IS ISO 400]
[link|http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/maxxum5d/samples/PICT0015_iso100.JPG|KM 5D ISO 100]
[link|http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/maxxum5d/samples/PICT0017_iso400.JPG|KM 5D ISO 400]
[link|http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/maxxum5d/samples/PICT0020_iso3200.JPG|KM 5D ISO 3200]
IMHO the 5D at 3200 is better than the S2 at 400. The 5D (and big brother 7D) are the best cameras for existing light photography.

The larger sensor also gives less depth of field for a given aperture (which can be good, e.g. when doing classic portraits) or bad (if you're trying to get everything in focus). It's harder to make faster lenses for a larger sensor (e.g. f2.8 constant aperture zooms can be large and expensive), and typically D-SLR's (or Sony DSC-1) are significantly bigger than digicams.

In the end, photography is still mostly about light and composition, but I've enjoyed my D-SLR a lot more than my digicam.

Tony
New Thanks for the info. I'm not camera hunting, but hmmmm...
New There's a lot to consider
First, to D-SLR or not. Lighting and composition are more important than the camera, but a good camera can help. D-SLR's have much fewer limitations (all can handle external flashes with bounce, many can do wireless flash, lots of different lenses including tilt and shift, high frame rates, etc), but they're bigger (although some of the digicams are about as big as the entry level D-SLRs) and more expensive (starting about $600 body only).

One plus is being able to buy used lenses; that's helping me.

It seems that all the D-SLR's, including entry level, are pretty good, but some are better for certain styles.

For example, for existing light (which I love to do), the Konica Minolta 5D and 7D are the best, due to built-in anti-shake and good high ISO performance. Canon and Nikon are next because you can get stabilized lenses for them and they have good high ISO performance. Olympus is not, because their cameras aren't good over ISO 400.

For sports, Canon is probably best because their cameras have excellent autofocus performance (better than K-M), lots of affordable USM lenses (silent ultrasonic motors in the lenses), and high frame rates (20D is 5 frames per second, K-M 7D is 3).

Other considerations include viewfinders, camera controls, build quality, etc. The K-M 7D was the obvious choice for me because it had anti-shake, the most physical interface (more dials and knobs than any other D-SLR), big LCD, excellent viewfinder, and cost the same as a Canon 350D with one stabilized lens.

It's nice to have two camera, a big, capable one for special occasions, and a small compact one to bring everywhere. In the near future, camera phones might be good enough to replace the compact camera.

Tony
     Fuji S5200 digital camera - (Arkadiy) - (18)
         Try the Pentax Optio series - (folkert) - (4)
             Seconded. Love the Optio 550. - (admin)
             What's the optical zoom? - (drewk) - (2)
                 D-SLR's are by far the fastest and coming down in price -NT - (tonytib)
                 My Optio 750z is 10x zoom Optical - (folkert)
         My current top two candidates - (tuberculosis) - (6)
             Check this out - (drewk) - (2)
                 Yeah, but that's a whole camera - (tuberculosis)
                 Ahh.. synergy - still, all I need is___Macro! - (Ashton)
             For very special occasions - (tonytib) - (2)
                 Thanks for the info. I'm not camera hunting, but hmmmm... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     There's a lot to consider - (tonytib)
         My son likes his - (imqwerky)
         For you to compare Side-by-side all cameras mentioned here. - (folkert)
         I looked at dpreview reports for Canon S2 - (Arkadiy)
         Check this out - (broomberg) - (2)
             Looks nice - (drewk) - (1)
                 Well.. I have a Canon enroute - (Ashton)

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