Immigrant? NEVER get arrested in US

Never mind all the torture stuff (which we never do, sez Condi today, plaintively and a bit petulantly.)

Let's just look at 'medical help' for the incarcerated -- not remotely those er, 'enemy combatants\ufffd'. Maybe, if immigrant - you have a serious Choice re going quietly, now - or not.

NPR report on one [link|http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5022866| Richard Rust] and some other deaths in similar circumstances, in several states. FL seems to be the premier Black Hole of Calcutta; glad yer outta there, Box!

The Death of Richard Rust

by Daniel Zwerdling

All Things Considered, December 5, 2005 \ufffd Richard Rust died last year after he was detained by U.S. government agents -- not in a secret detention center in Iraq, but in a federal prison in Oakdale, La.

Evidence suggests that Rust, an immigrant from Jamaica, is not the only immigrant detainee who has died recently after Homeland Security arrested them. NPR also looked into the deaths of three other detainees. In each case, witnesses charge that some immigrants died after guards and medical staff failed to give them proper medical care. The incidents raise a question: Is there a pattern of medical neglect in Homeland Security's detention centers?

The Department of Homeland Security detained more than 200,000 non-citizens last year in jails and prisons across the country. Most of the detainees were not charged with crimes, but rather with violating civil immigration laws. They are held while officials try to obtain court orders to deport them.

In past reports, NPR revealed that some immigrant detainees have been kept in harsh conditions and suffered abuse. For instance, guards at the Passaic County Jail in New Jersey ordered dogs to attack immigrant detainees, and guards at the nearby Hudson County Jail beat up detainees while they were handcuffed. (See related links to 'Past Stories on Detainee Abuse')

Louisiana's Oakdale Federal Detention Center is part of a sprawling federal prison complex. Surrounded by high fences and dense forests, it houses almost 1,000 immigrant detainees on any given day. To understand what transpired in the final minutes of Richard Rust's life there, NPR tracked down eight current and former detainees who knew Rust. Each says he witnessed all or part of what happened to Rust.

The way they tell it, Rust became popular with fellow detainees after Homeland Security locked him up on Feb. 3, 2004.

"Richard Rust, he's a kind person, okay? He's got a harmony about him," recalls Kerion Dawkins, who was deported late last year to Jamaica. (Dawkins still has trouble accepting that Rust is dead, so he talks about him in the present tense.) "If you and the next person has a problem, he'll sit down and try to help work it out. He'll be a counselor, or a judge if it's a dispute."

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In brief: the guards stand about in the presence of someone in extremis: inert.
Homeland 'Security' and its subcontractors uniformly reply with lies / contradicting as many as 30 eyewitnesses. In one case mentioned on-air, it took a Congressperson (because that victim had a famous friend) even to get the scripted whitwashwed reply - usually there is no reply to such charges.

(Seems you can learn a lot from old movies of the SS, if genetically inclined to join one of the many armies of Authoritarian posts in '05 Murika.) Not that this is surprising, of course - just another data point of what we've allowed ourselves to become | become indifferent to. Cheney - He's somewhere new, every day. But in the dark.

Post #237,125 by Ashton 12/5/05 9:23:13 PM Reply	Immigrant? NEVER get arrested in US Never mind all the torture stuff (which we never do, sez Condi today, plaintively and a bit petulantly.) Let's just look at 'medical help' for the incarcerated -- not remotely those er, 'enemy combatants\ufffd'. Maybe, if immigrant - you have a serious Choice re going quietly, now - or not. NPR report on one [link\|http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5022866\| Richard Rust] and some other deaths in similar circumstances, in several states. FL seems to be the premier Black Hole of Calcutta; glad yer outta there, Box! The Death of Richard Rust by Daniel Zwerdling All Things Considered, December 5, 2005 \ufffd Richard Rust died last year after he was detained by U.S. government agents -- not in a secret detention center in Iraq, but in a federal prison in Oakdale, La. Evidence suggests that Rust, an immigrant from Jamaica, is not the only immigrant detainee who has died recently after Homeland Security arrested them. NPR also looked into the deaths of three other detainees. In each case, witnesses charge that some immigrants died after guards and medical staff failed to give them proper medical care. The incidents raise a question: Is there a pattern of medical neglect in Homeland Security's detention centers? The Department of Homeland Security detained more than 200,000 non-citizens last year in jails and prisons across the country. Most of the detainees were not charged with crimes, but rather with violating civil immigration laws. They are held while officials try to obtain court orders to deport them. In past reports, NPR revealed that some immigrant detainees have been kept in harsh conditions and suffered abuse. For instance, guards at the Passaic County Jail in New Jersey ordered dogs to attack immigrant detainees, and guards at the nearby Hudson County Jail beat up detainees while they were handcuffed. (See related links to 'Past Stories on Detainee Abuse') Louisiana's Oakdale Federal Detention Center is part of a sprawling federal prison complex. Surrounded by high fences and dense forests, it houses almost 1,000 immigrant detainees on any given day. To understand what transpired in the final minutes of Richard Rust's life there, NPR tracked down eight current and former detainees who knew Rust. Each says he witnessed all or part of what happened to Rust. The way they tell it, Rust became popular with fellow detainees after Homeland Security locked him up on Feb. 3, 2004. "Richard Rust, he's a kind person, okay? He's got a harmony about him," recalls Kerion Dawkins, who was deported late last year to Jamaica. (Dawkins still has trouble accepting that Rust is dead, so he talks about him in the present tense.) "If you and the next person has a problem, he'll sit down and try to help work it out. He'll be a counselor, or a judge if it's a dispute." [More . . .] In brief: the guards stand about in the presence of someone in extremis: inert. Homeland 'Security' and its subcontractors uniformly reply with lies / contradicting as many as 30 eyewitnesses. In one case mentioned on-air, it took a Congressperson (because that victim had a famous friend) even to get the scripted whitwashwed reply - usually there is no reply to such charges. (Seems you can learn a lot from old movies of the SS, if genetically inclined to join one of the many armies of Authoritarian posts in '05 Murika.) Not that this is surprising, of course - just another data point of what we've allowed ourselves to become \| become indifferent to. Cheney - He's somewhere new, every day. But in the dark.
Post #237,142 by warmachine 12/6/05 5:56:35 AM Reply	Homeland Security control immigration? Umm... why? Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #237,146 by folkert 12/6/05 8:56:52 AM Reply	It is called: "Protecting our borders." Don'tchyaknow. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #237,147 by boxley 12/6/05 9:32:07 AM Reply	a lot of agencies were folded into homeland security Border Patrol, customs immegration fema, feebs etc. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #237,148 by boxley 12/6/05 9:34:55 AM Reply	all hacks are brutal, immigrant or not as far as LA prisons, [link\|http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/angola1219.php\|http://www.workers.o...02/angola1219.php] camp J in angola is where they keep the big stripes. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #237,253 by Ashton 12/6/05 10:56:48 PM Reply	Well, one victim was 80 yo, held there only temporarily - while seeking US asylum; ie - NO "charges", allegations, innuendo. Just an old man, there by accident of 'no place to put such persons'. And.. he suffered an attack (with projectile vomiting \ufffd l\ufffd Bush41) WHILE HIS ATTORNEY WAS PRESENT. No one, including the attorney could get the local 'guard' even to attempt to summon any assistance; something like 15 minutes before anyone did come - some lengthier period before an ambulance, etc. He died on admission. This is not about Us White Hats VS convicted subhuman scum - it's about psychopathic behaviour as a prerequisite for employment.
Post #237,266 by boxley 12/7/05 8:32:28 AM Reply	yep, typical prison guards "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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