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New Again, this time with feeling.
The States run the schools. The States, therefore, have the right to decide who is permitted on campus. It's curious that you are insisting that the Federal Government has a right to usurp the authority of the States. If the States don't want their schools to be fertile ground for Federal job recruitment then that is clearly within the States rights. It is a big, fat, whopping, "Saddam is an imminent threat" kind of distortion to suggest otherwise.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New You are mixing things up
They can decide if they want to recruit or not.

If they decide to recruit, they can't decide to recruit for "only who you like"...that falls under a completely different section of law.

You are trying to mix up arguments.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New If the Federal Government really wants to, they can
make the states and local governments cooperate.

Section 8, clause 12. Congress has the authority To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; The following clause is about the navy.

I believe that requiring that states and local governments cooperate with the federal efforts to raise armies is within that Congressional grant of power. However right now they aren't choosing to do that. They are waving the carrot of money, not the cudgel of the Constitution. But they don't have to be nice about it.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New They can raise armies as needed, but pussy communists
dont allow that. They can open up the draft or even press gangs for any ablebodied male citizen between 16 and 45 bu they cannot force public schools to host recruiters unless other companies are allowed to recruit giving a limited public platform for that type of free speech.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New why don't you tell us what you really feel box.
Don't hold back now ;-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New pussy communists, where the army cant be used in the US
its an ammendment passed after reconstruction tried to destroy the south
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New :-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New What are you on about?
[link|http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=8090|http://www4.army.mil...story_id_key=8090]

Looks to me like the army is being used in the US. And what's with the "pussy" communists? You mean these guys? [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/21/newsid_3560000/3560175.stm|http://news.bbc.co.u...60000/3560175.stm]
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New rent a movie called tank
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New That '84 Maverick flick? ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New "by any means necessary" is implied, then?
I'm not, by any means, an expert on this. And I'm not usually one to argue for States' rights (probably because I'm a descendant of Southerners and "States' Rights" in that region have always been code words for "Racist Policies"). But I don't read that section you posted as necessarily mandating that the States participate.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Not quite ANY means..
But the latitude is wide enough that it has included pressgangs and military drafts in the past. So I'd assume that the federal government has quite a bit of latitude here.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Has that ever been challenged? Did any State try to opt out?
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New not since 1865
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Thanks. I meant USSC cases. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Yes, and I do not know
[link|http://www.mainstream.com/nhpolitics/getcase.gillette.html|http://www.mainstrea...ase.gillette.html] is an example of a USSC case involving the draft. (The outcome is that one can't register as a conscientious objecter because you object to the current war.)

I don't know of any cases offhand where a state tried to keep the federal government from enforcing a draft, but I cannot imagine that it would go well for the state. National defence is clearly a federal responsibility in the Constitution.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Bill O'Reilly supports terrorists - (andread) - (185)
         Only SF? - (bepatient) - (184)
             All or nothing? - (hnick) - (182)
                 Don't be a goof - (bepatient) - (181)
                     How not? - (hnick) - (180)
                         Re: How not? - (bepatient) - (179)
                             What's the death rate of BET employees? - (broomberg) - (93)
                                 Black helicopters on way from Ft. Dix to Barry's house. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                 So no police, fire and first responders either? -NT - (bepatient) - (20)
                                     Unlikely - (broomberg) - (19)
                                         Oh dear - (bepatient) - (18)
                                             There you go again - (broomberg) - (17)
                                                 I have in several posts - (bepatient) - (16)
                                                     Fine - (broomberg) - (12)
                                                         Until then - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                             In HS, they aren't 'people'; they are CHILDREN. -NT - (Ashton) - (10)
                                                                 Actually, no - (broomberg) - (9)
                                                                     Nice ad-hom - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                         While they can't sign until adults - (broomberg) - (7)
                                                                             What I've said - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                                 McDonald's doesn't train kids to kill or be killed - (imqwerky) - (5)
                                                                                     just blow the wrong gender and instant discharge - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                         pun intended? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                                                                                             nope, just unintended brilliance! :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                     Thank you for proving my point - (bepatient)
                                                                                     Sorta depends on who you ask... - (jb4)
                                                     Re: I have in several posts - (jb4) - (2)
                                                         Look. - (bepatient)
                                                         Technically not illegal - (Simon_Jester)
                                 Put it another way... - (pwhysall) - (67)
                                     Then no police and no correctional officers - (bepatient) - (66)
                                         Sounds fair enough to me. -NT - (pwhysall) - (65)
                                             So then you feel comfortable - (bepatient) - (64)
                                                 Yes, basically. - (pwhysall) - (49)
                                                     Difference of opinion, then. - (bepatient) - (48)
                                                         No-one's options are being limited by my point of view. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                             The brush is a bit broad - (hnick)
                                                         Ya know, Bill... - (jb4) - (45)
                                                             Re: Ya know, Bill... - (bepatient) - (44)
                                                                 There is another POV on this. - (mmoffitt) - (42)
                                                                     You're qualifying again - (bepatient) - (38)
                                                                         Private != State != Federal. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                                                             And you continue - (bepatient) - (19)
                                                                                 It's about States autonomy from this pov. - (mmoffitt) - (18)
                                                                                     No it isn't. - (bepatient) - (17)
                                                                                         Again, this time with feeling. - (mmoffitt) - (15)
                                                                                             You are mixing things up - (bepatient)
                                                                                             If the Federal Government really wants to, they can - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                                                                 They can raise armies as needed, but pussy communists - (boxley) - (6)
                                                                                                     why don't you tell us what you really feel box. - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                                         pussy communists, where the army cant be used in the US - (boxley) - (4)
                                                                                                             :-) -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                             What are you on about? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                                                 rent a movie called tank -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                     That '84 Maverick flick? ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                 "by any means necessary" is implied, then? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                                                                     Not quite ANY means.. - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                                                                         Has that ever been challenged? Did any State try to opt out? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                             not since 1865 -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                 Thanks. I meant USSC cases. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                             Yes, and I do not know - (ben_tilly)
                                                                                         Red Herring alert number 2581 (or so) - (jb4)
                                                                         But, must everybody be allowed to recruit if the Fed is? -NT - (imric) - (16)
                                                                             Any specific exclusion should be frowned upon - (bepatient) - (15)
                                                                                 How about groups that promote violence and killing? - (imric) - (6)
                                                                                     or democrats depending on your point of view -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                     Was wondering where that was headed - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                         Political parties are not businesses either. - (imric) - (3)
                                                                                             Are they paying now? - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                                 Yes you did. $300.00 -NT - (imric) - (1)
                                                                                                     That was my money - (bepatient)
                                                                                 How about Al Qaida? CPUSA? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                                                     What, trying to find somebody I don't like? - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                                                         Nope. Just testing your metal. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                         Then here's one for you. - (a6l6e6x) - (4)
                                                                                             You're right - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                 NCLB Sec 9525 covers the Boy Scouts. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                                     Section HOW MANY?!? - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                                                         It's not that bad. - (Another Scott)
                                                                     they take the federal dole, thats why -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                         Even that doesn't feature in my reasoning. - (bepatient)
                                                                         Not much, they aren't. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 Yes I am... - (jb4)
                                                 Um, that wouldn't be freedom. That'd be indoctrination. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                                                     Next - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                         Um, that wouldn't be me. That'd be DHS. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                     like what you teach your kids :-) /me dux -NT - (boxley) - (10)
                                                         I don't teach my kids anything anymore. They teach me. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                                                             tell me about it - (boxley) - (8)
                                                                 If that's true, - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     will be 17 in Jan, link below - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         Thanks. I'll give 'em a gander ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 is it pre-marital if they're not going to get married? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (2)
                                                                     Im afraid to ask :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         Well, clarify that before I go show mine the pic. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 He didn't give you the whole story - (broomberg)
                                                                 Just because he doesn't believe in it . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 In the South? -NT - (imric)
                                 That's not gonna fly - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                     Indeed: SHOCK n'AWE competing with GM corner office - - (Ashton)
                             Discrimination.. we have to give that up, too? - (Ashton) - (84)
                                 Ah, I see. - (bepatient) - (83)
                                     Yeah, he *is* "SMARTER than THEM". They're KIDS. - (CRConrad) - (74)
                                         At 18, I might be smarter... - (bepatient) - (73)
                                             So you agree - (imqwerky) - (72)
                                                 Not so fast dearest - (bepatient) - (71)
                                                     Re: Not so fast dearest - (andread) - (65)
                                                         Tis a law I believe - (bepatient) - (64)
                                                             Discrimination is not created equal - (ben_tilly) - (63)
                                                                 Then you have a poor understanding of what I think - (bepatient) - (60)
                                                                     Re-read what you wrote - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                                                         I am of the opinion - (bepatient) - (12)
                                                                             My understanding is... - (ben_tilly) - (11)
                                                                                 Different situation altogether - (bepatient) - (10)
                                                                                     There's something basic at stake here - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                                                                                         And I'm telling you that I think its different - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                                             In short, I'm wasting my breath - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                                                                 Box gave you one - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                                                     Yes, boxley did. But even if he didn't, you wouldn't have. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                                                         For the stated reasons - (bepatient)
                                                                                         lets try some case law shall we? - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                                             Can you say where that case is from? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                                                 hmm, thought I linked it, here ya go - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                     That does look applicable, thanks -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                                     Sophistry flying under perverse banner, Social Darwinism 101 - (Ashton) - (45)
                                                                         Sophistry ? - (bepatient) - (44)
                                                                             They can quit McDonalds - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                                                 Because it makes no difference - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                     no difference - (andread) - (2)
                                                                                         More of a limit - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                             I think some people - (Simon_Jester)
                                                                             Companies are not the same as the armed forces - (pwhysall)
                                                                             Other employers - (imric) - (37)
                                                                                 See above. -NT - (bepatient) - (36)
                                                                                     No. - (imric) - (35)
                                                                                         You continue to hunt for things - (bepatient) - (34)
                                                                                             No-one's taking any choices away, though. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                                                 Without equal access - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                     Yes, adults do know better than children. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                                                             Ok, how about this? - (hnick) - (30)
                                                                                                 But but but - (broomberg) - (3)
                                                                                                     Their problem. TS as it were... -NT - (hnick) - (2)
                                                                                                         I guess I needed the sign -NT - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                                                                             Me too -NT - (hnick)
                                                                                                 I'm cool with that. - (bepatient) - (25)
                                                                                                     It was impossible to tease that out though - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                                                                         I engaged - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                             Sorry - (broomberg) - (2)
                                                                                                                 No reason for that - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                 dupe -NT - (bepatient)
                                                                                                     If there's any 'groupthink' here, Mr. Legal Theoretician - (Ashton) - (19)
                                                                                                         conclusions should be made on rationale not gut think - (boxley)
                                                                                                         Bullpucky - (bepatient) - (17)
                                                                                                             No-one's freedom to choose has been taken away. - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                                                                                                 That is in there - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                                                     It's harder to choose because it's not the same. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                                                                                         But the access to choose - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                                                             By that logic... - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                                                                                 Chuckle - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                                 as a matter of fact you might have a hard time keeping them - (boxley)
                                                                                                                 either equal access for all or no access for anyone - (boxley)
                                                                                                             Suppose this was rural Nevada rather than SF. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                                                 Its a legal occupation - (bepatient)
                                                                                                                 prostitution is a venerable profession - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                                                     I misread that as... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                                                                                         intended this time :-} -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                                             OK Beep, you've convinced me - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                                                                                 WDYHASM? -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                                                     (Because it's Broken?) -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                                                                 Judging by infected computers . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                                 ya might want to check into title 9 etc - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                     Ya might want to actually read my post - (ben_tilly)
                                                     Now wait just a minute! - (imqwerky) - (4)
                                                         And there you go. - (bepatient)
                                                         Use the source, Q! - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                             May the Source be with me! -NT - (imqwerky)
                                                         A hitch is 8 years these days. - (Another Scott)
                                     Reality check. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                         Let the attacks continue - (bepatient) - (6)
                                             So, you're saying the military doesn't mislead? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                 Not saying any such thing. - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                     Bad form. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                         And assume - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                             Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                 Wasn't a claim - (bepatient)
             The Supreme Court to weigh in on school recruiting. (new thread) - (Another Scott)

Damn, man, you swing a mean left field passive aggressive non sequitur.
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