Post #234,098
11/14/05 4:06:01 PM
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Again, this time with feeling.
The States run the schools. The States, therefore, have the right to decide who is permitted on campus. It's curious that you are insisting that the Federal Government has a right to usurp the authority of the States. If the States don't want their schools to be fertile ground for Federal job recruitment then that is clearly within the States rights. It is a big, fat, whopping, "Saddam is an imminent threat" kind of distortion to suggest otherwise.
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #234,103
11/14/05 4:16:15 PM
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You are mixing things up
They can decide if they want to recruit or not.
If they decide to recruit, they can't decide to recruit for "only who you like"...that falls under a completely different section of law.
You are trying to mix up arguments.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #234,114
11/14/05 5:10:15 PM
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If the Federal Government really wants to, they can
make the states and local governments cooperate.
Section 8, clause 12. Congress has the authority To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; The following clause is about the navy.
I believe that requiring that states and local governments cooperate with the federal efforts to raise armies is within that Congressional grant of power. However right now they aren't choosing to do that. They are waving the carrot of money, not the cudgel of the Constitution. But they don't have to be nice about it.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,126
11/14/05 6:30:59 PM
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They can raise armies as needed, but pussy communists
dont allow that. They can open up the draft or even press gangs for any ablebodied male citizen between 16 and 45 bu they cannot force public schools to host recruiters unless other companies are allowed to recruit giving a limited public platform for that type of free speech. thanx, bill
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Post #234,140
11/14/05 7:26:52 PM
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why don't you tell us what you really feel box.
Don't hold back now ;-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #234,153
11/14/05 8:39:22 PM
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pussy communists, where the army cant be used in the US
its an ammendment passed after reconstruction tried to destroy the south thanx, bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #234,158
11/14/05 8:48:19 PM
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:-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #234,211
11/15/05 9:16:48 AM
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What are you on about?
[link|http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=8090|http://www4.army.mil...story_id_key=8090]
Looks to me like the army is being used in the US. And what's with the "pussy" communists? You mean these guys? [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/21/newsid_3560000/3560175.stm|http://news.bbc.co.u...60000/3560175.stm]
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #234,216
11/15/05 9:29:29 AM
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rent a movie called tank
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #234,217
11/15/05 9:33:16 AM
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That '84 Maverick flick? ;0)
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #235,671
11/23/05 11:24:18 AM
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"by any means necessary" is implied, then?
I'm not, by any means, an expert on this. And I'm not usually one to argue for States' rights (probably because I'm a descendant of Southerners and "States' Rights" in that region have always been code words for "Racist Policies"). But I don't read that section you posted as necessarily mandating that the States participate.
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #235,791
11/23/05 10:25:51 PM
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Not quite ANY means..
But the latitude is wide enough that it has included pressgangs and military drafts in the past. So I'd assume that the federal government has quite a bit of latitude here.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #236,302
11/28/05 12:09:40 PM
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Has that ever been challenged? Did any State try to opt out?
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #236,309
11/28/05 1:08:26 PM
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not since 1865
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #236,316
11/28/05 1:55:45 PM
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Thanks. I meant USSC cases. ;0)
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #236,338
11/28/05 5:09:24 PM
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Yes, and I do not know
[link|http://www.mainstream.com/nhpolitics/getcase.gillette.html|http://www.mainstrea...ase.gillette.html] is an example of a USSC case involving the draft. (The outcome is that one can't register as a conscientious objecter because you object to the current war.)
I don't know of any cases offhand where a state tried to keep the federal government from enforcing a draft, but I cannot imagine that it would go well for the state. National defence is clearly a federal responsibility in the Constitution.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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