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New Not to point any fingers
but [link|http://www.palamida.com|http://www.palamida.com] is a company that makes a tool that audits your source code and identifies open source components and tells you your exposure to various licenses.

The company is most of the same people I worked for prior to leaving for France. The problem they've chosen to solve seems important to them because their CTO (I'll call him bob) and their lead developer nearly sank the previous company (it sank for different reasons in the end) because they couldn't stop downloading crap from jakarta.apache.org and adding it to the product (or gnu, or whatever). In other words, they think this is a problem because they constantly create it wherever they go. I worked quite hard to keep them in line but it was a full time battle.

To complicate matters even more, there was a fairly clueless project manager who thought Bob walked on water because he got stuff done. It was always the wrong stuff but Bob was incredibly industrious. He can crank vast volumes of pointless code encumbered by dependencies on software with licenses we can't live with in no time at all.

I reckon the new venture will fold now that you can buy insurance to cover suits for misuse of open source software. Furthermore, it only takes a bit of discipline and clarity of thought to avoid the problem in the first place.

Anyhow, there's one example. I have many more. Successful people must be well rounded and possess decent inter-personal skills to make it. The top software companies are largely built around vision sharing and self organizing teams. If you can't think outside the box (computer), we don't need you.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Huh, how do they compare to...
[link|http://www.blackducksoftware.com/|http://www.blackducksoftware.com/] which does the same thing. Other than the fact that I've heard of one but not the other.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Direct competitors



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Then who would you bet on?
Not that I need either, but I'm curious.

When I saw the Black Duck folks at the open source convention, I wondered, "Why would anyone need them?" They were nice people and all, but I wondered what their business would be. The knowledge that 2 companies had the same idea suggests that there is a bigger problem out there than I knew about.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New The insurance companies
Consider it from the point of view of the client. If I think I may have a problem, then I have two options - take on the risk myself and do an internal audit, or spend money on a tool to automate the audit. Neither is free.

Am I safe? Not necessarily. The tool could be buggy or my auditors could miss the problem. Given that this is something I've decided to throw money at, I could just write a check to the insurance company. Now I *know* I'm safe because I have a contract with someone who will guarantee that this won't come back to bite me.

It took no time or effort apart from writing a check.

Taking insurance company out of it, I don't know much about blackduck, but I'd bet against my former co-workers if they were faced with any remotely capable company.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #233273 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=233273|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Destructive productivity - (admin) - (21)
         Don't think I can go into details about my experiences - (ben_tilly) - (8)
             o/ - (drewk) - (6)
                 I've seen that. - (static) - (2)
                     Re: didn't like modifying their code - (drewk)
                     maze of twisty passages all alike - (cforde)
                 OT: What's that ^^ ( o/ ) mean? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     A person waving -NT - (broomberg) - (1)
                         Raising a hand... -NT - (admin)
             If they're like that, then firing is probably the way - (tonytib)
         I have seen it in spades. - (a6l6e6x)
         Not to point any fingers - (tuberculosis) - (5)
             Huh, how do they compare to... - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                 Direct competitors -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                     Then who would you bet on? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         The insurance companies - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                             ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
         well would you define how you describe it? - (boxley) - (4)
             My boxlish filter must be broken. That made no sense. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                 trying to wrap a description of admin's label -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                     It still makes no sense. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         apologies, didnt notice that the beginning of the thread - (boxley)

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