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Post #232,020
by Andrew Grygus
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11/1/05 10:30:28 PM
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New What makes you think lizards are not self aware?
Scientific studies have shown very little difference between humans and other animals. The awareness may not be verbal, but it's definitely there. Parrots can be verbal, so several have been taught to talk, to devise sentences with meaning, ask questions and understand answers. That's self awareness. Lizards are more primitive than parrots, but but are not different in any absolute way.
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Post #232,026
by broomberg
11/1/05 10:43:06 PM
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New I seem to recall the dot test
Paint a dot on the subject.
Put them in front of a mirror.
Observe if the see the dot and then reach to themselves, or to the mirror image.
Dolphins and people (age 11 months or so) reach to themselves, no others.
Post #232,027
by Andrew Grygus
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11/1/05 10:56:39 PM
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New I see this as proving . . .
. . an understanding of mirrors, nothing more.
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Post #232,034
by ben_tilly
11/1/05 11:19:34 PM
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New Chimpanzees also figure it out quickly
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     in the WTF category Brit beleive in ghosts but not gods - (boxley) - (33) - Nov. 1, 2005, 01:11:53 PM EST
         Why? - (jbrabeck) - (5) - Nov. 1, 2005, 01:17:27 PM EST
             those that dont beleive in gods often claim logic an science - (boxley) - (4) - Nov. 1, 2005, 01:22:23 PM EST
                 I can see your logic - (jbrabeck) - (3) - Nov. 1, 2005, 01:34:50 PM EST
                     Ignoring, of course, all non-YHVH based religions... -NT - (imric) - Nov. 1, 2005, 01:54:19 PM EST
                     eh? the book is full of haints witches demons angels giants - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 1, 2005, 02:10:01 PM EST
                         Re: eh? the book is full of haints witches demons angels gia - (jb4) - Nov. 1, 2005, 02:20:41 PM EST
         Not so. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 1, 2005, 01:50:08 PM EST
             not required but inffered all matter is energy -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 1, 2005, 02:10:58 PM EST
         Animism - (warmachine) - (9) - Nov. 1, 2005, 03:29:58 PM EST
             just another word for god - (boxley) - (8) - Nov. 1, 2005, 04:11:40 PM EST
                 A force with no self awareness, unlike any god... - (warmachine) - (7) - Nov. 1, 2005, 07:49:00 PM EST
                     better take either a religious or anthropology class - (boxley) - (5) - Nov. 1, 2005, 08:00:33 PM EST
                         That doesn't contradict me - (warmachine) - (4) - Nov. 1, 2005, 09:09:10 PM EST
                             What makes you think lizards are not self aware? - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - Nov. 1, 2005, 10:30:28 PM EST
                                 I seem to recall the dot test - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 1, 2005, 10:43:06 PM EST
                                     I see this as proving . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 1, 2005, 10:56:39 PM EST
                                     Chimpanzees also figure it out quickly -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 1, 2005, 11:19:34 PM EST
                     Agreement - (Ashton) - Nov. 2, 2005, 08:11:55 PM EST
         For specific definitions of god - (JayMehaffey) - Nov. 1, 2005, 05:13:34 PM EST
         What? You think that Hindus don't exist? - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Nov. 1, 2005, 05:54:38 PM EST
             Well said. - (imric) - Nov. 1, 2005, 07:18:07 PM EST
             prove hindu's exist - (boxley) - (11) - Nov. 1, 2005, 08:06:00 PM EST
                 Look at the survey question - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 1, 2005, 09:01:00 PM EST
                 What's all this "G_d" business? - (pwhysall) - (8) - Nov. 1, 2005, 11:42:43 PM EST
                     It's a common sign of respect or reverence. - (Another Scott) - (7) - Nov. 1, 2005, 11:56:41 PM EST
                         You'll be referring to me as P_t_r, then, I take it? - (pwhysall) - (6) - Nov. 2, 2005, 12:05:24 AM EST
                             Still... - (Another Scott) - (4) - Nov. 2, 2005, 12:22:29 AM EST
                                 But the only "holy" name is the Hebrew one, innit? - (pwhysall) - Nov. 2, 2005, 01:00:47 AM EST
                                 Interesting comment in the Wikipedia discussion: - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 2, 2005, 01:18:27 AM EST
                                     Well, he'd better convert to Christianity right away . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Nov. 2, 2005, 02:28:51 AM EST
                                         I'm just glad I'm an atheist... - (pwhysall) - Nov. 2, 2005, 02:46:57 AM EST
                             if you note this is the only forum that I usually do it -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 2, 2005, 12:01:18 PM EST
                 Dupe -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 1, 2005, 11:43:07 PM EST

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