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Post #23,182
by ben_tilly
1/4/02 8:48:25 PM
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New Major disagreement
Jackson's ending made no sense, read zero, to me in 2 viewings. It grates more every time I think about it.

Tolkein's ending makes sense in every detail. It is beautiful. It is tragic. And it reinforces the fact that the bad guys can win.

This is absolutely and utterly integral to the power of the series as a whole. To understand this you will need to track down Tolkein's essay On Monsters. Read it. Until you understand what principles Tolkein conciously based his seminal work on, you won't really understand where the ultimate power of the whole works from.

Jackson is undermining the second and particularly third movies. And when he is all done and you try watching the series as a whole, it won't be as strong as it should have been.

I know you disagree now and are likely to for a good while. Let's talk about it again in 3 years, shall we?

Cheers,
Ben
Post #23,397
by inthane-chan
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1/7/02 3:34:08 PM
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New Oh, I agree.
I didn't say I LIKED that ending - but it was the best ending that Jackson could do, considering the target audience, especially for a first film. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if The Two Towers has the darker ending that finishes that book, since he's got people hooked with the first film. Worked for The Empire Strikes Back, too.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
     LotR:FotR review - spoilers - (inthane-chan) - (34) - Dec. 28, 2001, 12:59:41 PM EST
         Well, at least SOMEONE got to watch it last night. *grumble* -NT - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 28, 2001, 01:56:48 PM EST
             FINALLY got to see the whole film! - (admin) - Jan. 5, 2002, 08:30:31 PM EST
         The most irritating plot change for me? - (ben_tilly) - (22) - Jan. 3, 2002, 04:11:44 PM EST
             I agree. Plus: - (tseliot) - Jan. 4, 2002, 12:02:44 PM EST
             Battle criticism - (wharris2) - (20) - Jan. 4, 2002, 12:24:19 PM EST
                 The changes I would have made... - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Jan. 4, 2002, 04:32:05 PM EST
                     I saw LOTR the other night - (nking) - Jan. 4, 2002, 06:08:08 PM EST
                     Major disagreement - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2002, 08:48:25 PM EST
                         Oh, I agree. - (inthane-chan) - Jan. 7, 2002, 03:34:08 PM EST
                 The Moira scene made more sense on a second viewing - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Jan. 4, 2002, 08:32:53 PM EST
                     OK OK, but surrounding still doesn't make sense - (wharris2) - (14) - Jan. 4, 2002, 11:30:02 PM EST
                         Goblins are Orcs. - (inthane-chan) - (13) - Jan. 7, 2002, 03:31:59 PM EST
                             Err_____ makin them humans - (Ashton) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2002, 04:49:43 PM EST
                                 By that token, so were Aragorn and Arwen - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2002, 04:51:31 PM EST
                                     IIRC... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2002, 08:53:20 PM EST
                                         Yes, but very little, but from a couple sources + Maia, too - (tonytib) - Jan. 8, 2002, 12:17:02 AM EST
                             These beings were clearly different from Orcs. - (wharris2) - (8) - Jan. 7, 2002, 05:48:47 PM EST
                                 Several sizes of Orcs - (tonytib) - (7) - Jan. 7, 2002, 06:55:29 PM EST
                                     goblins are to orcs what gollum was to bilbo - (boxley) - (6) - Jan. 8, 2002, 10:23:14 AM EST
                                         Or Myrdraal to Trollocs... -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 8, 2002, 10:27:34 AM EST
                                         Goblins and Orcs - (nking) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:30:30 AM EST
                                             Yup, Gollum used to be... Spoiler warning! (?) - (CRConrad) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:34:46 AM EST
                                                 That was the speculation in the book, at least. - (admin) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:35:49 AM EST
                                                     hobbits in general were animorphes, humanoid otters or - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2002, 11:58:13 AM EST
                                                         For Marvel-comic values of "mutation". It don' work that way -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 8, 2002, 12:04:04 PM EST
         FX anomalies and other things. - (static) - Jan. 5, 2002, 04:55:28 AM EST
         Screwed again - (broomberg) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2002, 06:08:36 PM EST
             Where are you going... - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2002, 07:11:08 PM EST
                 Re: Where are you going... - (broomberg) - Jan. 7, 2002, 10:52:44 PM EST
             What time did you go? - (nking) - Jan. 5, 2002, 09:11:05 PM EST
         2nd pass review - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2002, 11:19:06 PM EST
             Uruk-hai. :) -NT - (inthane-chan) - Jan. 7, 2002, 03:28:53 PM EST
             Disagree about the hobbits - (wharris2) - Jan. 7, 2002, 05:52:30 PM EST
         Finally Saw it my 2 cents - (boxley) - Jan. 10, 2002, 10:02:20 AM EST

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