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Post #230,480 by drewk 10/22/05 12:36:30 PM Reply	He didn't say insanity or delusion At least not as far as the belief itself. The delusion is in claiming any of this as science. I can say that the idea of intelligent design is not scientific without saying that it's wrong. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #230,483 by bepatient 10/22/05 12:39:57 PM Reply	Re: He didn't say insanity or delusion How can anyone think like that? This Dembski must be completely insane. In fairness, this guy may well be...but it strikes me as a common complaint/couterargument that anyone who thinks this stuff is delusional...not simply in ID as science...but in ID in general. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #230,486 by drewk 10/22/05 1:04:12 PM Reply	"This one guy is insane" vs "mass delusion" He said one guy was insane. You pointed out that he's an outlier. You then characterized his position as claiming "mass delusion". === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #230,489 by bepatient 10/22/05 2:55:38 PM Reply	Not really, at least not what I meant to do Weakness of medium, I suppose...or my own brevity. His was but one of may critiques of religion and ID over a very long period of time here that characterizes it this way. Its easy to do so when you focus on the nutcases on opposite sides of the debate. As usual, though, reality is often in the middle. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #230,497 by warmachine 10/22/05 4:03:54 PM Reply	I oppose the message, not any of the messengers I do not dismiss ID because I regard Dembski as a nut. I am well aware that one person may not be typical of a group. Considering Dembski's idea of applying Christology to biological theories, I would consider it likely that ID advocates shun him. I have never used strawman tactics. My post was not an attack on ID (I do that elsewhere). It was an enquiry about a thought process I can't envisage. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.

A take on the Neocon-Scopes II trial - (Ashton) - (30) - Oct. 20, 2005, 08:18:23 PM EDT

When you look at the genesis creation myth - (boxley) - Oct. 20, 2005, 09:30:07 PM EDT

When a neocon insists... - (jb4) - Oct. 21, 2005, 02:03:02 PM EDT

Re: A take on the Neocon-Scopes II trial - (tuberculosis) - Oct. 21, 2005, 03:20:09 PM EDT

Another take - (ubernostrum) - (7) - Oct. 22, 2005, 12:52:06 AM EDT

:-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 22, 2005, 01:02:41 AM EDT

Merveilleux ! -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 22, 2005, 06:35:21 AM EDT

written by a lawyer not a scientist :-) -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 22, 2005, 10:51:50 AM EDT

ICLRPD - (drewk) - Oct. 22, 2005, 10:52:13 AM EDT

I'm glad it doesn't work that way - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2005, 04:03:06 PM EDT

Fat-fingered multi-post...Ignore.... -NT - (jb4) - Oct. 23, 2005, 06:41:50 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4) - Oct. 23, 2005, 06:35:45 AM EDT

"Is it science yet?" - (Another Scott) - (18) - Oct. 22, 2005, 01:18:44 AM EDT

Nice sourcebook - for school boards not yet seduced. - (Ashton) - Oct. 22, 2005, 06:39:44 AM EDT

ID advocates have different brain structures or something? - (warmachine) - (16) - Oct. 22, 2005, 09:30:11 AM EDT

They have certain base beliefs and build on them. - (Another Scott) - (12) - Oct. 22, 2005, 10:18:06 AM EDT

Well, it's *relatively* constant -NT - (drewk) - Oct. 22, 2005, 10:40:10 AM EDT

Overstating the advocacy somewhat. - (bepatient) - (10) - Oct. 22, 2005, 12:31:48 PM EDT

He didn't say insanity or delusion - (drewk) - (4) - Oct. 22, 2005, 12:36:30 PM EDT

Re: He didn't say insanity or delusion - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 22, 2005, 12:39:57 PM EDT

"This one guy is insane" vs "mass delusion" - (drewk) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2005, 01:04:12 PM EDT

Not really, at least not what I meant to do - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2005, 02:55:38 PM EDT

I oppose the message, not any of the messengers - (warmachine) - Oct. 22, 2005, 04:03:54 PM EDT

Oops, double-clicked -NT - (drewk) - Oct. 22, 2005, 12:37:04 PM EDT

My post was an enquiry, not a stroking of ego - (warmachine) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2005, 02:10:48 PM EDT

Drew? -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2005, 02:56:58 PM EDT

I hereby declare Warmachine an outlier - (drewk) - Oct. 22, 2005, 03:11:06 PM EDT

You shouldn't assume. - (Another Scott) - Oct. 22, 2005, 03:31:56 PM EDT

Quite possibly - (broomberg) - Oct. 22, 2005, 12:09:58 PM EDT

It's the high-school chemestry lab "solution" - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2005, 06:40:42 AM EDT

Re: It's the high-school chemestry lab "solution" - (Ashton) - Oct. 23, 2005, 10:55:47 PM EDT

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