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Post #229,464 by warmachine 10/13/05 12:55:55 PM Reply	The subordinates are the problem If the executive layer are incompetant and only looking out for their own hide, then the directors can't make much difference. Idiotic, political appointees are not the real problem. If the civil service is this wrecked, you should have ran and got out long ago. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #229,466 by ben_tilly 10/13/05 1:09:59 PM Reply	The decline has been fast Under Clinton the same bureaucracy worked well in disasters. Then our MBA president decided that a reorg was in order. :-( Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #229,504 by warmachine 10/13/05 7:16:26 PM Reply	So that article is a pack of lies. Oh, I'm surprised! Run! Get out while you can! Before the US federal government suck out all state powers into federal commissions that are then wrecked by political appointees, then wiped out by chronic, federal debt, then resurrected by the corporations to sanction their plundering. Before various functions are run by the churches, destroying separation of church and state in all but name. Before the survivalist militias, white supremecists and the Mafia run riot because there is no nation or state-wide effort to stop them. Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #229,510 by Ashton 10/13/05 8:09:16 PM Reply	Umm.. let's not get Ahead of the Game, OK? There remains a small -atheistic-or-Other/Wise- prayer that the Magic Correction Tool: [1] Impeachment, may yet be fired up. I concede that this is a looonngg shot, given the present and smug anti-Intelligence milieu -- still (no Pollyanna, moi) -- it appears at least as likely as our stealing the Coronation Rite from youenses, just yet. I could be Wrong; I often am, usually whenever I expect some semblance of sane activity in this foundering Wasteland.. as evidenced, "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." "Most of our imports come from overseas." --George W. Bush (And, just NOW ... ..."We'll never give in until Total Victory") See [1]
Post #229,516 by ben_tilly 10/13/05 9:06:43 PM Reply	Who says it is a pack of lies? Bush's big reorganization was to integrate FEMA (which is just a couple of thousand people) into a far larger bureaucracy, which has a very different mission than FEMA did. That is, if centralized command structures are prone to fail, then FEMA under Homeland Security under Bush is far more failure-prone than FEMA under Clinton was. This is also not to say that FEMA was idyllic under Clinton. For instance in 1999, Hurricane Floyd overwhelmed it. However it did it's primary job - coordinating people and groups who want to help - than the current incarnation appears to be. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Influenza, anyone? - (Ashton) - (30) - Oct. 12, 2005, 05:03:40 PM EDT

Run! Get out... umm... what about the subordinates? - (warmachine) - (29) - Oct. 12, 2005, 06:13:16 PM EDT

we are using the Soviet Model -NT - (boxley) - (28) - Oct. 12, 2005, 07:07:04 PM EDT

Not familiar with that -NT - (warmachine) - (27) - Oct. 13, 2005, 02:29:35 AM EDT

here ya go, enjoy - (boxley) - (26) - Oct. 13, 2005, 11:37:08 AM EDT

The subordinates are the problem - (warmachine) - (4) - Oct. 13, 2005, 12:55:55 PM EDT

The decline has been fast - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Oct. 13, 2005, 01:09:59 PM EDT

So that article is a pack of lies. Oh, I'm surprised! - (warmachine) - (2) - Oct. 13, 2005, 07:16:26 PM EDT

Umm.. let's not get Ahead of the Game, OK? - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2005, 08:09:16 PM EDT

Who says it is a pack of lies? - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 13, 2005, 09:06:43 PM EDT

Gads, that was depressing. Good, but depressing. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (20) - Oct. 13, 2005, 01:08:06 PM EDT

He spent a lot of time saying what was wrong. - (static) - (19) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:05:02 AM EDT

He made it clear what his alternate solution was - (ben_tilly) - (18) - Oct. 15, 2005, 04:43:46 AM EDT

That was clear? - (static) - (17) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:15:05 AM EDT

It was to me - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:29:11 AM EDT

Yup. Was clear in the 1st paragraph with ref to the Soviets. -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:33:25 AM EDT

Are you now, then, agreeing with me? - (bepatient) - (12) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:34:25 AM EDT

Aggreeing with you on what? -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:48:00 AM EDT

You are assuming he agrees - (imric) - (10) - Oct. 14, 2005, 07:03:53 AM EDT

Oh I know. - (bepatient) - Oct. 14, 2005, 12:52:04 PM EDT

And that was a bad assumption - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Oct. 14, 2005, 04:29:40 PM EDT

*chuckle* - (imric) - (7) - Oct. 14, 2005, 04:47:23 PM EDT

One of us made a sign error -NT - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Oct. 14, 2005, 05:01:54 PM EDT

Both? Cancelling out? -NT - (imric) - (4) - Oct. 14, 2005, 05:39:38 PM EDT

Nope... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Oct. 14, 2005, 06:12:34 PM EDT

My "don't disagree?" - (imric) - (2) - Oct. 15, 2005, 02:14:19 AM EDT

D'oh, I know what I MEANT to write... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 15, 2005, 04:33:26 AM EDT

Heehee - (imric) - Oct. 15, 2005, 10:52:43 AM EDT

Well, and odd number of sign errors anyway -NT - (drewk) - Oct. 15, 2005, 11:17:37 PM EDT

I must not be his target audience. -NT - (static) - (1) - Oct. 14, 2005, 01:43:31 AM EDT

I guess I'm sensitive to the buzzwords he used. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 14, 2005, 04:30:05 PM EDT

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