Correct != right? In a democracy?

Post #22,908 by mmoffitt 1/2/02 7:23:49 PM Reply	Correct != right? In a democracy? I saw this once at a Tea Party. "Clean cup, clean cup, move down, move down!" That's what we should do, right?
Post #22,929 by bepatient 1/2/02 11:40:17 PM Reply	In a democracy... ...where the rule of law must be respected. If you change those rules while the game is being played...then what's the point of having the rules in the first place. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #22,946 by mmoffitt 1/3/02 9:32:31 AM Reply	Ack. Please don't let's start this again. The FL Supreme Court ordered a recount. The USSC improperly intervened. The rule of law failed. p.s. Aren't you Republican types supposed to be big supporters of States Rights not being circumvented by the Feds? <vbg>
Post #22,959 by bepatient 1/3/02 11:32:26 AM Reply	However... the continuing insistance that somebody may have done this or that to change what had been already ordered in FL is just as disingenuous. Per what was ordered by FL SC...Bush got more votes...regardless of the USSC actions. IF....and that is an IF...they had been allowed to continue (pretend that the USSC didn't happen for a minute...just pretend)...it is STILL major speculation that an overvote count would have been ordered...and it is even more major speculation that it would have been upheld....considering accounts given at the time telling that overvote ballots were added to existing ballots even after the voter was given another ballot so they could vote correctly. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #22,961 by Silverlock 1/3/02 11:43:23 AM Reply	I see that "however" and raise you a "but" It doesn't matter which one won the election. No matter if Gore or Bush ended up in the white house, .... the wrong man would be there. P.S. I find it constantly amusing to hear people talk about the rule of law in reference to the most historically corrupt state in our nation as if law actually meant something to those bozos. When I visit the aquarium, the same thought keeps running through my mind; Leemmmooonnn, Buuttteerrr, MMMmmmmmm good!
Post #22,962 by bepatient 1/3/02 11:44:15 AM Reply	Can I get an Amen on that one!! You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #22,969 by Simon_Jester 1/3/02 12:14:36 PM Reply	excuse me?? I find it constantly amusing to hear people talk about the rule of law in reference to the most historically corrupt state in our nation as if law actually meant something to those bozos. Are we talking about Florida? As historically the most corrupt state in our nation? <shaking head> okayyyyyyy.
Post #22,971 by Silverlock 1/3/02 12:20:35 PM Reply	You're excused I thought the sentance understandable. What part don't you get? When I visit the aquarium, the same thought keeps running through my mind; Leemmmooonnn, Buuttteerrr, MMMmmmmmm good!
Post #22,994 by Simon_Jester 1/3/02 2:55:24 PM Reply	Thought I understood it... just find it hard to believe. Sure the Miami area was known for corruption a few years ago...but as a state, the most corrupt in the country? Well, I suppose opinions will differ - both in what constitutes corruption and in which is worse. I guess I just find it hard to believe that Florida is worse in the country. Usually I associate corruption with inefficiency (which for Government == higher taxes). Florida has no state income tax and a sales tax of 6% (iirc). I suppose Florida could be considered worse than Chicago, New York, and Mass.
Post #22,998 by Silverlock 1/3/02 3:10:29 PM Reply	No backup At least nothing tangible. I remembered reading a few articles during the recount fiasco that referred to FL as the most historically corrupt state. I think part of it had something to do with all the "land" sold to speculators that turned out to be swamp. When I visit the aquarium, the same thought keeps running through my mind; Leemmmooonnn, Buuttteerrr, MMMmmmmmm good!
Post #23,029 by boxley 1/3/02 5:05:36 PM Reply	the historically corrupt phrase came from the sellout of the electoral college for an end to reconstruction. thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #23,099 by jb4 1/4/02 9:10:11 AM Reply	A coupla other data points: Well, there's Illinois; just sit back and watch a state piss away a relatively high income to kickbacks, cronyism, patronage, no-bid contracts, etc. etc. etc. etc.... Remember, this IS the state of both Richard Daleys! But Illinois, for all its cruft, is a piker compared to Louisiana.... jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
Post #22,977 by boxley 1/3/02 1:13:59 PM Reply	Well I guess florida has been a state longer but Alaska has only been around the territory and as a state for only a little while and it was born in corruption and flourishes as same. Now living in Florida brings to mind a book called "none dare call it treason" the premise of which that so many stupid decisions cannot be a coincidence. It must be a conspiracy. I have met many of the players both big and small. It is not a conspiracy, they really are that venal and stupid. For real corruption in other states, Louisiana comes to mind in the south and good old Michegan and Illinois in the North. Chi town and Detroit, New York and Boston. Any nominees from the left coast? thanx, bill My Dreams aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be
Post #22,979 by mmoffitt 1/3/02 1:20:20 PM Reply	You missed a big one in the South. North Carolina. I was born there and I lived there for 5 years as an adult. As far as the courts are concerned, I have never seen such corruption as I saw in one Burke County (and I've been to the Soviet Union!)

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