Post #228,911
10/10/05 12:22:06 PM
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That sounds like an urban legend
The shaking in an earthquake travels through the ground. It is basically a very loud, very low, sound wave.
That means that, while the cave might not be damaged, you'll certainly feel the quake inside.
Cheers, Ben
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Post #228,912
10/10/05 12:24:54 PM
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urban legend as repeated by national park service employees
inside mammoth cave, at 360 ft below ground in a large cavern unless the epicenter is underneath you the wave will be felt at the surface. thanx, bill
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Post #228,922
10/10/05 1:07:54 PM
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I'd love to see an explanation
The only thing that I can think of is that waves transfer energy and then dissipate it when they hit a boundary. Therefore inside of the Earth very little energy is dissipated, then it all gets dissipated on the surface.
However the cave is a boundary like the surface of the Earth, and I'd expect energy to be dissipated there as well.
Also there is some gross motion associated with earthquakes. If the ground moves a meter sideways, it does underground as well. And if you unexpectedly move a meter in a cave, you're going to feel it. However that motion is local, so you'll only experience it near the epicenter.
Cheers, Ben
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Post #228,924
10/10/05 1:13:46 PM
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Where would it displace to?
The surface can wiggle and jump. Underground you're essentially in a bubble. I would think it would be like sitting inside a bell, but with a frequency below audible.
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Post #228,931
10/10/05 1:24:19 PM
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got an answer, (partial)
it looks like parts may fall off but the cave itself doesnt collapse [link|http://www.geosociety.org/news/pr/05-10.htm|http://www.geosociet...news/pr/05-10.htm] Elisa J. Kagan, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Institute of Earth Sciences, Jerusalem 91904, Israel; et al. Pages 261-264. The long-term recurrence pattern of past earthquakes is of considerable consequence for hazard assessments with implications for earthquake physics. Kagan et al. introduce a dated record of earthquakes from well-preserved earthquake-damaged cave deposits (e.g., stalactites and stalagmites). The study caves are located 15 km from the city of Jerusalem (Israel) and 40 km from the active Dead Sea transform fault. During an earthquake, cave deposits can be broken and may fall. Subsequent to an earthquake, deposition continues on top of the damaged material. The boundary between the pre- and post-earthquake material can be dated precisely, bracketing the date of the earthquake. Kagan et al. dated a large number of rock falls inside the caves using Uranium-Thorium radiometric dating methods and stable isotope correlation with well-dated climatic events previously recognized in the deposits. Cave deposits are advantageous to this kind of study since they are potentially well dated up to about half a million years. This presents the opportunity to recreate a long-term earthquake record and include the largest earthquakes to have hit a region, which is usually unavailable by other methods. Within the last 185,000 years covered, they dated 38 damaged samples. They determined that these deposits were damaged during 13\ufffd18 earthquakes. The average recurrence interval of earthquakes causing damage at the study location is 10,000\ufffd14,000 years. Kagan et al. show that there is a correlation of the earthquakes dated in the study caves with independent earthquake records (mainly deformed lake sediments) near the Dead Sea. The earthquakes dated in their study are most likely large (M > 8), infrequent events, given the distance from the active fault. This opens up a significant new avenue of earthquake research that will provide precise dating and observational constraints on large, infrequent earthquakes. since mammoth cave doesnt have deposits as such (no stalag or stalactites) not much would be going on. thanx, bill
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Post #228,984
10/10/05 6:32:23 PM
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That suggests that you can indeed feel one inside the cave
Else the inside of the cave wouldn't get damaged.
Any cave that is fragile enough to collapse in routine earthquakes should have collapsed a long time ago. So I'd expect the cave to survive. The question is whether people inside the cave can feel the earthquake.
Cheers Ben
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Post #228,994
10/10/05 7:07:25 PM
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I would suspect they can if . . .
. . they're paying attention, and certainly in an area of actual earth movement. Propegation is in a nearly uncompressible medium and I doubt the cave would be large enough to generate a boundry effect, so I wouldn't be too surprised if working men missed it.
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Post #228,983
10/10/05 6:30:39 PM
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A very LOUD bell...
If you were inside a bell that was loud enough to knock over walls, I think you'd notice. Whether or not it was within hearing range.
Cheers, Ben
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