OK, so Australia is the exception.

Post #228,760 by CRConrad 10/9/05 10:46:31 AM Reply	OK, so Australia is the exception. In the rest of the world, Daewoos are Chevrolets nowadays. And no, I don't think the Commodore was originally very Australian-designed -- I think everything down to the name was originally taken from the Opel Commodore. Dropping a V8 into it may have been at least partly an original Oz contribution, though... But given that this was most probably, at least to begin with, the world-famous 1950s-vintage Chevy Smallblock... That's not all that original, either. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #228,854 by Meerkat 10/10/05 8:10:15 AM Reply	On Commodores (pointless Holden geekery ensues) The Holden Commodore has been around since 1978, but in three major shapes. The [link\|http://www.carshowcase.org/wallpaper/Holden/VB03.jpg\|VB Commodore] (1978-1988) was almost the spitting image of the [link\|http://www.soulweb.com/winterfloh/anzeigen/bilder/opel-rekord.jpg\|Opel Rekord] of the time. It had the Rekord body, but Australian engine / transmission / suspension. It was almost unrecognisable four facelifts later when the [link\|http://www.rarespares.net.au/rare_spares/gallery/customer_car_images/vl-commodore_tmasters.jpg\| VL model] was launched in 1986. In 1988 the [link\|http://www.carshowcase.org/wallpaper/Holden/VN02.jpg\|VN model was launched]. Based on an [link\|http://auto.nonstop.com.ua/fotos/big/721.jpg\|Opel Senator] body, but widened by a few inches. Engine was the GM 3.8 V6 as found in lots of Buicks I believe. Three facelifts later and it ended looking like this - [link\|http://www.smasa.com.au/documents/archives/2002/pictures/visitors_cars/daniels_vs_commodore.jpg\| the rather nice-looking VS]. Next up, the [link\|http://www.carshowcase.org/wallpaper/Holden/VT07.jpg\|VT model] which stole the front door panels off another Opel (probably the Senator again) but I think the rest of Australian designed. Two facelifts later, the last of the line is the current model, the [link\|http://www.users.on.net/~nweber/commodore/vz/images/vz-acc-05.jpg\| VZ]. There we go. Thanks for bearing with me. Should you ever visit Australia, you'll be able to hold your own when the discussion around the BBQ turns to Holdens. As it inevitably does... Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
Post #229,135 by Ashton 10/11/05 4:14:58 PM Reply	Verrry Eenteresting - US-(not-so)-Wise: In 1988 the VN model was launched. Based on an Opel Senator body, but widened by a few inches. The original Ford Bronco was killing people in roll-overs .. finally CU (Consumer Reports - a pretty unbiased, if not always techno-clever local testing org) - with pix and scathing prose: blew whistle. Law suits - Naahhhh it ain't tippy! Why we designed it for Rugged InduhVidjalists, etc. Etc. N-years later they did widen the sucker, shortly before retiring it - for its Deserved shitty reputation in that and other areas of M$-grade innovation. (as CU and anyone with 8th grade geometry had Suggested as Fucking Obvious.) Clearly: youse auslanders need to put up with a tad les Dumbth+greed?.. than lies at the black Heart of Our di$civilization :-)
Post #229,258 by Meerkat 10/12/05 7:01:57 AM Reply	This was all about shoulder room The 1980's Commodore was narrower than the rival Ford Falcon, and it cost them tons of sales. I guess it was case of : Size Does Matter. So it wasn't about dumbth, but I guess it was about greed, in a way. Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.

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