Post #227,694
10/3/05 8:13:15 AM
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so humanism is a religion? Even the secular branch?
glad one of you finally admits it. thanx, bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #227,695
10/3/05 8:18:20 AM
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Fulfils the same functions without the supernatural ****.
I thought I was the pedantic one here.
Matthew Greet
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Post #227,812
10/3/05 4:29:54 PM
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Who has denied it?
You may be confused by the fact that humanism is not atheism.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #227,815
10/3/05 4:35:53 PM
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those that practice it in the classroom deny its a religion
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #227,824
10/3/05 4:54:32 PM
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Which of *us* does that?
You said, "one of you", and don't seem to have been talking to anyone here...
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #227,830
10/3/05 5:07:45 PM
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one of you, as in one of you secular humanists
as in one of you christians, not the figurative use, one of the people in this thread but in the general usage, one of you NFL Monday Night Fans as a local unsanctioned representative.
Lot of folks in America are unhappy that the religion of Secular Humanism is taught in the public schools while christianity is barred at the door. Actually I would prefer that both should be taught in a comparative religion class and no where else. thanx, bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #227,842
10/3/05 5:35:15 PM
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Interesting use of code words there
When I say "secular humanism", I'm referring to a specific atheistic philosophy of tolerance. When you say "secular humanism" you're almost definitely talking about the theory of evolution. As a result we talk past each other.
I strongly object to barring the teaching of what is accepted in science because there happens to be a secular religion that borrows some of the tenents of that science. Like it or not - and I know you don't - evolution is a basic part of the scientific consensus. Leaving it out of the scientific curriculum because we are kowtowing to religious prejudice does a serious disservice to both science and students.
By all means, schools should not be teaching an atheistic theory of universal tolerance for all. But my support for that should not be twisted into support for removing evolution from the science curriculum.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #227,872
10/3/05 8:43:52 PM
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my what a giant code word in your eye
I have said many times that the teaching of evolution should take place in the public schools, I was not talking about evolution at all, I am very comfortable with that theory. when I speak about secular humanism I am speaking about When I say "secular humanism", I'm referring to a specific philosophy of tolerance forced down a student's throat regardless of common sense or prevailing science like recycling. Perhaps a deep draught of read me in my posts is in order :-) thanx, bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #227,879
10/3/05 9:01:34 PM
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Sorry...
I just googled for the phrase and ran across a number of Creationist sites ranting about secular humanism and really talking about evolution. Then jumped to a wrong conclusion.
As I said, I'm fine with not teaching secular humanism. I'm even mildly in support of that.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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