Was he lying then or is he lying now?

Post #227,471 by andread 10/1/05 8:54:28 AM Reply	Was he lying then or is he lying now? or both self-serving crap A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #227,560 by Ashton 10/1/05 10:01:45 PM Reply	Many have built upon his Example -quite as popular today- of academic rationalizations + stream of unconsciousness masquerading as story-telling. He was a mondo- ""bright"" (which I think, too-often ==> glib) young Turk; many of the mannerisms of JFK - but without the humanity (?) (If there was any of that? I never saw it in the numerous video and other sources of the day). Hey.. just imagine you're hearing 'ol Chainsaw [whatsisname], The Donald or any wanna-be MBA: 'explaining' how to Grow the Enterprise. An Object devoid of any social consideration whatsoever - except as supplier of 'goods' (fodder, in the 'Nam case) and for a certain 'profit' - Credit as a Winner (in the 'Nam case). The Enterprise for McN was (solely): 'Winning' this War, which was happening on His (Ego)-Shift.) Building a bizness which regards its employees as overhead and solidly in the Debit column - is no different from prosecuting that 'war', well beyond there being no hope of prevailing: only Killing More and saying, We're Making Progress ... .. No, Really! this time I Mean It ... Check The Body Count! So study the sucker and look around -- his Extremely Costly example should not be lost to another generation.. by imagining it was some past, solitary personal fuck-up: it's a really Popular Model, still. (And I agree: we'll never Know where the on-camera McN ruminator begins/ends. AFAICR - he's never overtly said), ~ It was Wrong! / I was Wrong! / I can't now Imagine how I could atone!
Post #227,561 by Another Scott 10/1/05 10:15:58 PM Reply	"Chainsaw" Al Dunlap - ex Sunbeam. [link\|http://securities.stanford.edu/news-archive/2002/20020904_Settlement03_Roland.htm\|Stanford Law School]. He was a piece of work, wasn't he... :-( With luck, the pain that good companies are having to go through with [link\|http://www.aicpa.org/info/sarbanes_oxley_summary.htm\|Sarbanes-Oxley] won't be in vain and it will be much harder for his type of manager to achieve positions of power again. Cheers, Scott.
Post #227,565 by imqwerky 10/1/05 11:16:57 PM Reply	Unfortunately, I don't think SOx will ever see the light of day. Part of the situation surrounding our current financial crisis stems from the fact that big bidnesses have successfully lobbied for a 2 year reprieve from complying with the SOx legislation. How are companies ever going to show accountability if the watch-dog legislation is never enforced? Thanks to the current pro-business climate, it may take up to five years for SOx to gain some teeth. I think that Dynamic Pessimist thread is taking root in my head. I don't even see the light at the end of the tunnel. The future does not look good for us in our current situation. No peace. No peace at all. Amy Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly!
Post #227,569 by Ashton 10/2/05 1:31:12 AM Reply	Pukka slimitude - embed in amber? (er, soon?) We know there are slime. And we know (now) - as that laughable "fine" illustrates: just what difference is made to any vestigial idea of 'justice' - when we witness how much can be dismantled in a mere few dozens of months. And especially when we notice how much overt cynical manipulation can pass right over the heads of most-all major media - unprocessed, unquestioned; mostly, unmentioned. What remains a major mystery to me is - how it is that these uninvolved blue-collars in Red States so utterly Admire nay Adore slime.. after all these years of living out the loss of pensions, any semblance of mutual 'trust' employer/employee. It can't be All about little-Jesus. Or can it? {shudder} Father Coughlan redux: 70 years late? Not just blue-ies, either - Next level 'up' - with-ties: the ad hoc End of the "40 hour work week" - for which, so many died. Unclear if more than 1% working today ever noticed How that '40' number came to be. Many of both classes are quite old enough to have been through an educational system not nearly so mangled as lately - or post Prop 13 in CA (however varied the local quality, nationally.) Have this many Muricans missed ever even considering, what the phrase "enlightened self-interest" refers to? I've seen a total of maybe 15 minutes of The Donald. Could take <= 5 min at a time. It is just as much a mystery to me that this is even called, 'entertainment'. It is YAN portrayal of smug humiliation; the inducement of people to smear feces all over selves, publicly!- merely to be Liked by a Slime. (Is there much difference between this 'show' and Lyndie England; the dog-collar guy in tow: with a Donald smarl on her face?) And.. that this 'show' could be Renewed! == akin to the Shrubcon renewal (though that event is about quite more than "the nature of perverse 'entertainment'".) We may as well enjoy the show as spectators - how could anyone 'plan' their way out of this much Crap descending this quickly, on so many levels of crapitude - and in a milieu of just plain ignorant ennui? It IS, almost to laugh! ha. ha. cha Damn.. not a known sinsemilla supplier within a hundred miles - ...now then Dmitri - You know how we've always talked about 'something going wrong with the bomb' ... the bomb, Dmitri - the Hydrogen bomb - - ... Well, Dmitri .. you see -

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