Post #227,028
9/29/05 12:06:54 AM
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I doubt its as lopsided as you think
but hey..its a Republican. Guilty till proven guilty...thats the new American Way.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #227,032
9/29/05 12:21:14 AM
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New?
DeLay has been investigated by a Texas grand jury for [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/29/politics/29delay.html?hp&ex=1127966400&en=3e7a26ee8df5c778&ei=5094&partner=homepage|several years]. The circumstantial evidence is at least as strong as that against Clinton in some of the scandals he was accused of. Excerpts: In the indictment on Wednesday, prosecutors essentially accused Mr. DeLay and his aides of engineering their 2002 victory in Texas through money laundering - specifically, by violating a state law that bars companies from donating to individual candidates. The law is a legacy of struggles at the turn of the last century between farmers and ranchers on the one hand and so-called corporate robber barons eager to seize their lands.
The indictment charged that $155,000 in donations to the committee from six companies, including Sears Roebuck and Bacardi, the rum maker, were put into a bank account along with other money raised by Texans for a Republican Majority.
In September 2002, the indictment shows, the committee sent a check for $190,000 drawn from that account to the Republican National Committee in Washington. The check, which is reproduced in the indictment, was made out to the Republican National State Elections Committee, which oversees state races for the national party.
The indictment charged that Mr. Ellis, Mr. DeLay's aide, then provided Terry Nelson, President Bush's political director in his 2004 campaign and a Republican National Committee official, with a list of state Republican candidates in Texas who were to receive money, along with the amount of money for each.
The indictment suggests that the proceeds from the $190,000 check were then laundered back to Texas in the form of donations to the seven Republican candidates, in violation of the state's corporate money ban. It walks like money laundering, talks like money laundering... If you willing are to give DeLay the benefit of the doubt, why didn't you do the same for Clinton? There's nothing new about people jumping to the conclusion that powerful politicians are corrupt. I think it goes back to Thomas Jefferson at least... Cheers, Scott.
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Post #227,039
9/29/05 1:36:52 AM
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That policy was instituted by the current administration
or it will be if they get their way.
Meanwhile you are doing the red man's dance. The scream and holler harking back to dear Dennis shouting "Help I'm being repressed" that the right has gotten so good at. In fact it is the primary driver of the get out the vote strategy. Make em feel like the evil libruls are going to take their guns and let the faggots marry, then tell them you're the only one that can save them while you lift their wallet and cancel their health care.
Don't even start painting with that brush 'cause that paint won't stick anymore.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #227,058
9/29/05 8:38:06 AM
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Equal opportunity rule
I'm not defnding Delay. He's, at best, an idiot that got caught by a guy who likes to find this crap on politicians.
However, he, like anyone, enjoys the presumption of guilt that goes along with any public figure, R or D that is accused of anything, no matter how minor.
He's guilty.
Now its just up to the Court to try and prove it.
(somehow...thats backwards...but as said...welcome to our new America)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #227,066
9/29/05 9:47:31 AM
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1. This isn't new.
Why is it somehow more offensive now than against Clinton? He was assumed guilty (by the opposition) over any wild-assed charge that could be brought against him! Public accusations were made by theright wing media constantly, and given 'play' across country.
2. If Delay WAS 'presumed guilty' he'd be in jail now. Are you objecting to accusations? That people don't believe he's guilty before legal action occurs? Especially as the current junta hasn't shown themselves to be a particularly trustworthy lot? Yeah, there's corruption on both side of the fence - but the current clowns in office would disturb Sam Clemens, and he was the one that said: "there is no distinctively native American criminal class except Congress", and "Only a government that is rich and safe can afford to be a democracy, for democracy is the most expensive and nefarious kind of government ever heard of on earth".
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Post #227,069
9/29/05 9:51:28 AM
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Yep.
It was sad then, and its sad now.
I don't consider it any more or less offensive now than I did then.
Both guys deserve the attention...they earned it.
Difference between...Bill kept his job.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #227,095
9/29/05 11:25:34 AM
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DeLay still has a job
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #227,156
9/29/05 4:38:16 PM
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True
But I didn't see Bill take the equvalent demotion. Kind of the point I was making
But its not like I care about it.
They got one. Turnabout is fair play.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #227,174
9/29/05 5:31:34 PM
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Equally Beep-bland LRPD: 'I don't mean by that that
it gets worse, well I do, but I don't mean it that way. Unless you thought I meant the opposite of what I meant, in which case vice versa (or verce visa if you prefer)."
There: is That a sufficiently positionless-position? one as might ~match Our BeeP's normalized-levellings (asymptotic --> 0?) 0000 000 00 0 o \ufffd .
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Post #227,465
10/1/05 5:04:33 AM
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Love you too sweetheart
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #227,566
10/1/05 11:31:06 PM
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Hey.. 'on the other hand' isn't even a 'position'
to defend or demolish - it's just a catalog of imaginary opposites. Why, one might as well say,
..whatever.
Hmmm - Orthogonal Contrarian? Start a Party. With a dbase of opposites. Many will join. ADM and maybe PNAC will fund?
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Post #227,594
10/2/05 11:55:25 AM
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Simply tired
of inflated egos bolstering post counts with vast oversimplifications of imagined positions posted in semi-foreign tongue.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #227,597
10/2/05 12:00:37 PM
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Semi? ;-)
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Post #227,230
9/29/05 11:21:06 PM
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"Fair play"
This is a game? Give me a break. Delay is one of the most corrupt of all members of congress if not the most corrupt. Fair play my ass.
----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.
--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
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