nt 3.5.1 dam fine OS, NT4 is where they screwed the pooch

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Post #226,601 by boxley 9/26/05 7:03:20 PM Reply	nt 3.5.1 dam fine OS, NT4 is where they screwed the pooch and gave application access to ring 0. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #226,798 by jb4 9/27/05 6:15:31 PM Reply	Beg to differ! NT 3.anything was the equivalent of my ex-girlfriend's Peugeot: It's ugly, but it sure is slow! And what was the "new technology" that gave NT its "name"? Protected memory spaces...Something they had on 16-bit PDP-11's 20 years before, ferchrissakes! Big fuckin innovation there, all right! Finally using the feature (and poorly at that) that Intel had been puting into their processor chips for the preceeding 8 fuckin years! Right fine piece of "innovation", that...yeppir! Who you crappin, box?!? jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #226,800 by Ashton 9/27/05 6:39:57 PM Reply	Wasn't that the last NT to pass the Orange book (whatever) 'Certification' re security (the first they'd actually heard of that word..?) Or was that V3.50? -- providing it was in a locked room with no floppy; nothing connected to it. ie Ed Curry redux. And they Imported, did they not? == Hired-away some mega-Honcho (was he ex-DEC?) to do it all: for the little drop-out preppie guys to attribute to M$ Innovation. And: none of the above has occurred re Govmint 'Security' tests since? (Yet all the Govmint folks buy the add-ons at $Bs - I'm pretty sure that part is true.) (And.. I Loved the Ring-0 dissertations, first time around - why, even moi could grok what a lazy 'driver'-makin jockey might do.. right there in the hen house.) What a joke, them 'Standards'. And 'Security Proofs' cha cha cha
Post #226,803 by ben_tilly 9/27/05 6:57:58 PM Reply	Not by my recollection NT 3.50, service pack 3. Ed Curry claimed he could have had 3.51 certified fast. NT 4.0, no way. Eventually, many service packs later (6?), NT 4.0 managed to pass a UK test which Microsoft claimed was "equivalent" to the US test. I've not seen proof of that equivalence, nor have I heard of any later version of Windows passing such a security audit. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,808 by Ashton 9/27/05 7:18:34 PM Reply	Ah so - it remains ephemeral er, 'inferential'.
Post #226,961 by folkert 9/28/05 2:57:48 PM Reply	On only certain hardware. With no Network Card, Modem, Floppy or CDROM. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #226,982 by ben_tilly 9/28/05 5:00:44 PM Reply	Right I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #226,993 by jb4 9/28/05 6:15:14 PM Reply	Honcho == Dave Cutler (ex of DEC) But, you see, it's OK for Micros~1 to raid and ravage its "competitors" for talent, but should a "competitor return the favor, it's greeted by lawsuits and flying furniture. jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #228,559 by static 10/7/05 12:10:25 AM Reply	Sounds like how Disney does business... d-_-b
Post #228,574 by Ashton 10/7/05 2:50:14 AM Reply	My theory, like the 'single electron' one is that there's One talented person left - who time-shares like that One electron; the rest are all MBAs or wannabes.
Post #229,875 by jb4 10/17/05 5:22:07 PM Reply	The Heisenberg Talented Engineer theory... jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT

Interview WTFs - (pwhysall) - (48) - Sept. 18, 2005, 03:45:23 AM EDT

My very first interview - (imqwerky) - Sept. 18, 2005, 09:26:05 PM EDT

Mozilla Localization Project? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Sept. 19, 2005, 12:14:08 AM EDT

It's a K5ism. Mindless Link Propagation. -NT - (pwhysall) - Sept. 19, 2005, 01:35:19 AM EDT

'One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest' lives___if that's 'alive' - (Ashton) - (44) - Sept. 22, 2005, 06:40:22 AM EDT

Consider the other side for a bit - (broomberg) - (41) - Sept. 22, 2005, 08:07:45 AM EDT

A pretty comprehensive description of, - (Ashton) - (40) - Sept. 22, 2005, 07:26:53 PM EDT

I think Barry's perspective is not entirely typical of IT - (drewk) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2005, 07:53:18 PM EDT

I recently was able to hire someone... - (folkert) - Sept. 23, 2005, 10:39:21 AM EDT

Can't do it your way - (broomberg) - (37) - Sept. 23, 2005, 12:11:27 AM EDT

Seconded - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 23, 2005, 12:43:43 AM EDT

I get All that, and - - (Ashton) - Sept. 23, 2005, 01:35:00 AM EDT

That may be most important, IMO - (imric) - (34) - Sept. 23, 2005, 07:09:58 AM EDT

Sounds like time for a "team building" retreat - (imqwerky) - (33) - Sept. 23, 2005, 08:12:08 AM EDT

You'd think so... - (imric) - Sept. 23, 2005, 09:39:53 AM EDT

I disagree strongly - (ben_tilly) - (31) - Sept. 23, 2005, 03:53:52 PM EDT

Gee! - (jb4) - (30) - Sept. 23, 2005, 06:03:00 PM EDT

It doesn't - (ben_tilly) - (29) - Sept. 23, 2005, 07:22:16 PM EDT

Expand? - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2005, 09:25:16 PM EDT

Kerberos was easy - (drewk) - Sept. 23, 2005, 10:02:23 PM EDT

Put it this way - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 24, 2005, 01:10:59 AM EDT

OK I can appreciate certain aspects; always with reservation - (Ashton) - Sept. 24, 2005, 06:55:57 AM EDT

Better because of dirty tricks - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2005, 12:34:34 PM EDT

You need to remember - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 26, 2005, 03:17:56 PM EDT

Not since 1986 they havent! - (jb4) - (22) - Sept. 26, 2005, 11:20:58 AM EDT

You're judging them wrong - (drewk) - (10) - Sept. 26, 2005, 11:30:10 AM EDT

Amen. - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Sept. 26, 2005, 01:01:58 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 26, 2005, 01:09:54 PM EDT

Re: Amen. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2005, 07:25:38 AM EDT

He was an employee. I never was. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Sept. 30, 2005, 10:54:08 AM EDT

Point taken! ;-) - (jb4) - (5) - Sept. 26, 2005, 03:00:49 PM EDT

Get BillG laid, that's what. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (4) - Sept. 26, 2005, 03:09:45 PM EDT

Maybe they should have written Microsoft Babe - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Sept. 26, 2005, 03:14:09 PM EDT

Um, Inthane is right. And it worked. - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2005, 05:27:13 PM EDT

Ohhhhhhhhhh. - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 26, 2005, 05:31:45 PM EDT

So lemme get this straight... - (jb4) - Sept. 27, 2005, 06:10:41 PM EDT

nt 3.5.1 dam fine OS, NT4 is where they screwed the pooch - (boxley) - (10) - Sept. 26, 2005, 07:03:20 PM EDT

Beg to differ! - (jb4) - Sept. 27, 2005, 06:15:31 PM EDT

Wasn't that the last NT to pass the Orange book (whatever) - (Ashton) - (8) - Sept. 27, 2005, 06:39:57 PM EDT

Not by my recollection - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Sept. 27, 2005, 06:57:58 PM EDT

Ah so - it remains ephemeral er, 'inferential'. -NT - (Ashton) - Sept. 27, 2005, 07:18:34 PM EDT

On only certain hardware. - (folkert) - (1) - Sept. 28, 2005, 02:57:48 PM EDT

Right -NT - (ben_tilly) - Sept. 28, 2005, 05:00:44 PM EDT

Honcho == Dave Cutler (ex of DEC) - (jb4) - (3) - Sept. 28, 2005, 06:15:14 PM EDT

Sounds like how Disney does business... -NT - (static) - (2) - Oct. 7, 2005, 12:10:25 AM EDT

My theory, like the 'single electron' one - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 7, 2005, 02:50:14 AM EDT

The Heisenberg Talented Engineer theory... -NT - (jb4) - Oct. 17, 2005, 05:22:07 PM EDT

It's a WTF, all right. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2005, 11:22:57 AM EDT

{snorfle} - and a perfect illustration that - - (Ashton) - Sept. 23, 2005, 03:04:26 PM EDT

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