No offense...but you're raising strawmen left and right.

Post #22,632 by Simon_Jester 12/28/01 4:25:18 PM 12/28/01 4:32:26 PM Reply	No offense...but you're raising strawmen left and right. The only thing different about Florida was that it happened, by luck, to be the last one... an extremely close point in an extremely close election. Actually I believe that's untrue. New Mexico was just as close (and I don't know if it was ever settled.) The difference with Florida was that it had enough electoral votes to make a difference. (Second, New Mexico HAS a method to handle ties - Florida didn't and still doesn't.) We do not have the resources, at this date, to recount the whole country. Sorry, I havn't seen anyone demand a recount of every single state. Can you provide a reference? Or are you inventing arguments? BTW: I agree with your assessment that people who keep harping on a decision that they don't like are "an ideologue(r) with a clear agenda, and therefore as ignorable as a street-corner bum". The difference between you and I is that I do not demand that the ideologuer shut-up. Edited by Simon_Jester Dec. 28, 2001, 04:32:26 PM EST Expand All History
Post #22,648 by Ric Locke 12/28/01 7:52:36 PM Reply	No strawmen here -- willow twigs exclusively >>The difference between you and I is that I do not demand that the ideologuer shut-up. Hm. In this case, IIRC, mmoffit asked whether it was time to take the subject up again. I have an opinion, and gave it. And the bit about irregularities in other states is not a strawman; it goes to the heart of the reason the Florida nonsense keeps coming up. The plaintive cries of the complainers always specify that it's all about correcting election irregularities -- but you'll notice that they never want to consider any irregularities elsewhere. Reports of college students bragging that they voted four or more times in Illinois? -- never followed up, either to prove or debunk. I've seen rightwingers claim that if California both counted the absentee ballots and disallowed votes by non-citizens, Bush would have won there -- whereupon Florida would be irrelevant, eh? I don't know. It seems far fetched; but I've never seen anything resembling an analysis. No, it's all Florida, and it's all one way; miscellaneous variants on "Aha! I found a way to count the votes so Gore won!" And I say again: Entropy goes one way. It's over. Live with it (as I had to live with BC) and campaign for ways to keep it from ever happening again. Regards, Ric
Post #22,664 by Simon_Jester 12/28/01 10:33:17 PM Reply	Cute twig I've seen rightwingers claim that if California both counted the absentee ballots and disallowed votes by non-citizens, Bush would have won there -- whereupon Florida would be irrelevant, eh? I don't know. It seems far fetched; but I've never seen anything resembling an analysis. No, it's all Florida, and it's all one way; miscellaneous variants on "Aha! I found a way to count the votes so Gore won!" Grin...don't those two statements contradict each other? Sidenote: no voting irregularities have been prosecuted either inside or outside of Florida that I am aware of. (Several were reported.) I fully expect voting irregularities across statelines (ie: people who live both in NY and FL - and who voted twice) are not being tracked/prosecuted.
Post #22,675 by Ric Locke 12/29/01 12:08:43 AM Reply	And it was a dahling sprig, too The comment about California occurred once, shortly after the election, in a thread similar to this one on another site. Various analyses of Bush's illegitimacy based on one or another theory of vote counting are a regular staple of leftish "boards" and leftish participants in all boards. The volume isn't comparable. Regards, Ric

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