Re: Pattern in those fired?

Post #22,504 by nking 12/27/01 1:04:21 PM Reply	Re: Pattern in those fired? The pattern is that those fired had their workloads doubled or tripled and then told that they were not being productive enough. This was to force them to quit, or else they terminate them for some reason. No evidence needed, no defending themselves, no appeal. It didn't matter if they did what they were accused of, as long as management believed that they did it, without any hard evidence, they got let go. Any hard evidence of this is at the firm, unless they destroyed it. But in order to prove it we would have to go into the corp email system, the project management database, and HR records. Which may be destroyed after an investigation starts. The firm got investegated by the FBI for fraud a few years ago, and they blamed it all on a partner, and any evidence he needed to prove his innocence mysteriously vanished. If they can do that to their own, imagine what they can do to an employee or ex-employee? "Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm
Post #22,516 by Ashton 12/27/01 4:11:39 PM Reply	Based on this - The firm got investegated by the FBI for fraud a few years ago, and they blamed it all on a partner, and any evidence he needed to prove his innocence mysteriously vanished. If they can do that to their own, imagine what they can do to an employee or ex-employee? ..I'd say that you had every good reason to save sanity and find just about Anything else. You knew the cesspool you were swimming in, all along. Maybe your guts were trying to tell you about the smell? Could there be any correlation between biznesses that Like vb and.. other deficiencies? Good luck finding a horse of an entirely different color (and which doesn't eat your guts too). Guts aren't replaceable - but smarmy jobs are, even if it's a PITA to kick the habit - no? You're too young to imagine self 'fixed' into some niche - aren't you? A.
Post #22,547 by nking 12/27/01 10:40:42 PM Reply	Leave them behind I cannot comment on VB/ASP shops being all bad. I am sure there are some that are at least half-way decent and/or good to work at. Just that they have been sold into a MS-Solution and haven't found anything better yet. I am willing to learn Java, C++, Python, Delphi/Kylix, whatever it takes to get a job. Even Smalltalk under OS/2, or PL/1 under Plan9, or gasp RPG under OS/390. :) I currently have a good job lead, but it is PC Support stuff. I could work it until I find a better one. "Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm
Post #22,550 by Steve Lowe 12/27/01 10:52:11 PM Reply	Yes Just leave them behind. You could drive yourself crazy, not to mention bankrupt, by fretting about how they screwed you. I'd say let it go. Close that chapter of your life and start the next one. Spend half your day looking for leads, networking, sending out resumes, the other half learning things YOU want to learn. It will come in useful. Maybe not in ways you expect, but it will. ----- Steve
Post #22,561 by mhuber 12/28/01 1:23:36 AM Reply	But "screwed by the firm" isn't a protected class. You've described the method the company used. Nasty, but not discrimination unless it is done more to one group than to another. You need to consider whether the potential rewards of going after these turkeys, multiplied by your odds of success, are greater than, or less than, the potential rewards multiplied by the odds of success doing something else. My guess is your best bet is to spend your time looking for another job rather than suing them. If you invest your time and energy in looking for work, you will almost certainly succeed. If you invest it in fighting these jerks on their own turf, you will probably lose. And what if the jury orders them to give you your job back? Move on - invest in shrinks if you have to. Joining a cult would be better for you than obsessing on these guys. Want a practical suggestion from the Old Country? Write the name of the firm in your own blood on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and never write or speak or think that name again. Curse them that they may live in interesting times and die of natural causes. And then never ever give them another thought. I would reccomend a sterilized pin in a finger tip rather than the more traditional stingray barb through the reproductive organs. My particular Old Country is a bit intense by modern standards. Move on. Don't wait for the wounds to heal first, they won't. You have to move on first, then heal. ---- "You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
Post #22,620 by nking 12/28/01 2:55:10 PM Reply	What it could be is that I was getting close to my 5th year. I noticed that programmer analysts in my area all had under 5 years with the company. By the 5th year they have to offer a pension. So if they force us to quit, or terminate us for a silly or made up reason before the 5th year, they save on not paying a pension. They just get out of us in 4 years or under what they can, and use us up like a tissue. Then hire someone else to work another 4 years or less. My Uncle told me today that many companies do this to computer workers. "Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm

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