That might be because Gonzales needs the most defense?

Post #224,454 by jb4 9/12/05 4:38:30 PM Reply	That might be because Gonzales needs the most defense? Nominating someone to the USSC who actively campaigned to "legalize" torture is (still, even in these times) a tough sell. jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #224,455 by boxley 9/12/05 4:40:25 PM Reply	exactly why I dont want him on there, Janice Brown maybe "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #224,506 by JayMehaffey 9/12/05 9:48:27 PM Reply	Given the options, Gonzales may be the best Sadly, I'm inclined to say that between Gonzales, Brown and Owen, Gonzales may be the least destructive for the country. Gonzales is an amoral legalist, the sort of corporate lawyer who will read through the law to find some legal justification for an already determined posistion. Somebody who doesn't care about moral issues and sees law only as a game to be manipulated. But Brown and Owen are actually scarier, Owen seems to be a real social conservative believer, willing to twist the plain text of the law to get whatever decision she wants out of it. In fact her reading of the law was so weird that even Gonzales challenged it at one point. And Brown seems to me to be downright erratic, though usually to the right of Clarence Thomas. Part of my rational is that Gonzales is the only one of the bunch that might surprise us in a good way. Owens and Brown are real believers, and placed in a posistion without external review and no way of being removed are most likely to become more reactionary. Gonzales however might go the other way. I doubt that we have ever seen what his personal opinions are because they are determined by whoever pays him. On the Supreme Court he would be in a posistion to make his own choices. Not exactly good odds, but given a choice between 99.99% assured disaster, 99.95% assured disaster and 99% assured disaster, I'll take the 99%. Jay
Post #224,509 by a6l6e6x 9/12/05 9:56:28 PM Reply	Well thanks for cheering me up! [image\|/forums/images/warning.png\|0\|This is sarcasm...] Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #224,546 by jb4 9/13/05 9:55:58 AM Reply	So to sum up: No matter what, it's a train wreck just waiting to happen. Have I got it right? jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #224,603 by Ashton 9/13/05 4:28:22 PM Reply	Not quite That simple IMO -- Think.. Cassandra Crossing with the rickety bridge: over downtown Manhattan; the train having appended (in addition to the screaming humanoids incarcerated therein) -- several tank-cars with variously -- medium-level radioactive waste, Ebola by Merck\ufffd for er' 'research studies in crowd control'? gasoline tankers next to the Sulfuric acid tanker (and the one with liquid hydrogen and its overheated, flaming brakes.) Clearer, the Peril? It's a meaningless dance, when all 4 of those putative 'Estates' are stacked with just-enough folks who pine for Rupturin-outta-here and leaving the mess: as Gawd's Gleeful Punishment-for-Our-Guilt ..at bein born and all that Jazz. (or do you prefer concision \ufffdber alles?) We're Fucked.

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