Post #224,434
9/12/05 2:44:54 PM
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So who will Bush nominate to replace O'Conner now?
[link|http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak12.html|Sun Times] With Senate confirmation of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. as chief justice virtually assured, the struggle for the Supreme Court returns to replacing retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. The belief in legal and political circles is that President Bush will name a conservative woman, and the front-runner is federal Appellate Judge Priscilla Owen (5th Circuit, Austin, Texas).
According to White House sources, Bush met secretly with Owen last week. While not decisive evidence, this was no mere get-acquainted session beginning a long exploration. He knows and admires his fellow Texas Republican. The countervailing political pressure on Bush is to name a Hispanic American, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is a Texas Republican the president knows and likes even better than he does Owen. But signals last week he might name Gonzales probably should not be taken seriously. I get the impression that Bush would like to nominate Gonzales, but that has been nixed by his political advisors because of Gonzales's weakness with social conservatives. Owens would be a very controversial nomination, but is close to Bush and is thus the front runner right now. The politics involved with putting Owens on the Federal bench would complicate the issue for both sides. In some ways the problem is now bigger for Bush. The Democrats are going to be more willing to fight Bush on his second nomination, while at the same time social conservatives are pushing even harder for somebody they consider strong. And the public at large seems to be embracing a posistion that says that Bush got somebody more right then average with Roberts so he ought to nominate somebody more left next. Jay
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Post #224,445
9/12/05 4:16:22 PM
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Maybe she won't leave.
Recall that her resignation is effective when her replacement is confirmed. If Bush puts someone controversial forward, there could be an effort (which would probably be unsuccessful ultimately) to reject him/her. The court would still have 9 members (assuming Roberts is approved quickly).
I don't see that happening, but it's a way for people to fight a new nominee without being accused of somehow forcing the court to be tied, etc.
FWIW.
As for who he'll nominate, I dunno. He seems more active in defending Gonzales than others out there...
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #224,454
9/12/05 4:38:30 PM
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That might be because Gonzales needs the most defense?
Nominating someone to the USSC who actively campaigned to "legalize" torture is (still, even in these times) a tough sell.
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Post #224,455
9/12/05 4:40:25 PM
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exactly why I dont want him on there, Janice Brown maybe
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Post #224,506
9/12/05 9:48:27 PM
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Given the options, Gonzales may be the best
Sadly, I'm inclined to say that between Gonzales, Brown and Owen, Gonzales may be the least destructive for the country.
Gonzales is an amoral legalist, the sort of corporate lawyer who will read through the law to find some legal justification for an already determined posistion. Somebody who doesn't care about moral issues and sees law only as a game to be manipulated.
But Brown and Owen are actually scarier, Owen seems to be a real social conservative believer, willing to twist the plain text of the law to get whatever decision she wants out of it. In fact her reading of the law was so weird that even Gonzales challenged it at one point. And Brown seems to me to be downright erratic, though usually to the right of Clarence Thomas.
Part of my rational is that Gonzales is the only one of the bunch that might surprise us in a good way. Owens and Brown are real believers, and placed in a posistion without external review and no way of being removed are most likely to become more reactionary. Gonzales however might go the other way. I doubt that we have ever seen what his personal opinions are because they are determined by whoever pays him. On the Supreme Court he would be in a posistion to make his own choices.
Not exactly good odds, but given a choice between 99.99% assured disaster, 99.95% assured disaster and 99% assured disaster, I'll take the 99%.
Jay
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Post #224,509
9/12/05 9:56:28 PM
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Well thanks for cheering me up!
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Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #224,546
9/13/05 9:55:58 AM
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So to sum up:
No matter what, it's a train wreck just waiting to happen.
Have I got it right?
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Post #224,603
9/13/05 4:28:22 PM
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Not quite That simple IMO --
Think.. Cassandra Crossing with the rickety bridge: over downtown Manhattan; the train having appended (in addition to the screaming humanoids incarcerated therein) -- several tank-cars with variously -- medium-level radioactive waste, Ebola by Merck\ufffd for er' 'research studies in crowd control'? gasoline tankers next to the Sulfuric acid tanker (and the one with liquid hydrogen and its overheated, flaming brakes.)
Clearer, the Peril?
It's a meaningless dance, when all 4 of those putative 'Estates' are stacked with just-enough folks who pine for Rupturin-outta-here and leaving the mess: as Gawd's Gleeful Punishment-for-Our-Guilt ..at bein born and all that Jazz.
(or do you prefer concision \ufffdber alles?)
We're Fucked.
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Post #224,543
9/13/05 7:02:14 AM
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I don't want to think about it.
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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