Full means full

now I was ground zero in WPB during the entire episode. The hanging dimpled WTF even though there was no evidence of any mark for a presidential candidate (like my own ballot) was being counted as a gore vote by the Broward Election Commision.

This pissed off the heavily republican legislature who convened a special session to select the electoral college if Gore attempted to win by recounts.

The Gore campaign tried to reject all US servicemen absentee ballots and filed suit to not allow then to be counted.

The state legislature if they selected their own electors (remember in case you forgot popular vote doesnt count in presidential elections)

Constitution sez the electors will be selected by the states, federal law doesnt apply.

Now any democrat could challenge the florida electors and the republicans were set on challenging the New Mexico electors if this happened.

That would provide no majority so the constitution kicks in.

The congress would select a president and vice president and send that choice to the senate which would either accept or reject the choice. Since the Congress was heavily republican that means bush/cheney gets forwarded to the senate. A slim republican majority would have guarrantied a win because the ballot shenanigans of both sides were extremely egregous in florida so party line would prevail.

Now the USSC didnt need to step in at all as Bush would have won anyway and the constitution would have been better off.

Now it seems about every 18 months I have to remind you of this, could you just bookmark this link under legal reasons Gore could never have been president.
thank you,
Bill

[link|http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001220139|Editor and Publisher] on NYTimes editorial corrections (via Drudge):

Collins also announced that the paper would henceforth be running regular corrections and "for the record" explanations under the Times' editorials. Today [October 1, 2005] she published several in the "for the record" category. One notes that Krugman, Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich all incorrectly stated that former FEMA director Michael Brown went to college with his predecessor Joe Allbaugh. Another corrects where Mick Jagger made a certain statement about economics.

And here is what one hopes is the final word on that Krugman column, in the Sunday correction:

"In describing the results of the ballot study by the group led by The Miami Herald in his column of Aug. 26, Paul Krugman relied on the Herald report, which listed only three hypothetical statewide recounts, two of which went to Al Gore. There was, however, a fourth recount, which would have gone to George W. Bush. In this case, the two stricter-standard recounts went to Mr. Bush. A later study, by a group that included The New York Times, used two methods to count ballots: relying on the judgment of a majority of those examining each ballot, or requiring unanimity. Mr. Gore lost one hypothetical recount on the unanimity basis."

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.

Post #222,076 by Silverlock 8/31/05 10:16:13 PM Reply	Full means full ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #222,081 by boxley 8/31/05 10:33:55 PM Reply	and the result would either pick shrub or the legislature would have certified their own electors. This would have thrown the election to the house which being overun by repos pushing Bush to the Senate where there was a majority. bzzt no win situation thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,085 by Silverlock 8/31/05 10:53:33 PM Reply	Huh? A full statewide recount. Count the votes. Gore wins. I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about (I only read your stuff till you lose me) but I'm talking about the people who cast votes. None of this, of course, addresses the massive voter disenfranchisement that ocurred. But I'm interested in seeing how deep you want to dig your hole. ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #222,088 by Another Scott 8/31/05 11:05:52 PM Reply	We've been through this. I think Bill is talking about [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=84152\|#84152]. I have various recollections, but it's probably simpler and more accurate to attack Site Search. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #222,089 by Silverlock 8/31/05 11:10:43 PM Reply	Full means full ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #222,090 by boxley 8/31/05 11:10:50 PM Reply	one more time with clarity for the gore impaired now I was ground zero in WPB during the entire episode. The hanging dimpled WTF even though there was no evidence of any mark for a presidential candidate (like my own ballot) was being counted as a gore vote by the Broward Election Commision. This pissed off the heavily republican legislature who convened a special session to select the electoral college if Gore attempted to win by recounts. The Gore campaign tried to reject all US servicemen absentee ballots and filed suit to not allow then to be counted. The state legislature if they selected their own electors (remember in case you forgot popular vote doesnt count in presidential elections) Constitution sez the electors will be selected by the states, federal law doesnt apply. Now any democrat could challenge the florida electors and the republicans were set on challenging the New Mexico electors if this happened. That would provide no majority so the constitution kicks in. The congress would select a president and vice president and send that choice to the senate which would either accept or reject the choice. Since the Congress was heavily republican that means bush/cheney gets forwarded to the senate. A slim republican majority would have guarrantied a win because the ballot shenanigans of both sides were extremely egregous in florida so party line would prevail. Now the USSC didnt need to step in at all as Bush would have won anyway and the constitution would have been better off. Now it seems about every 18 months I have to remind you of this, could you just bookmark this link under legal reasons Gore could never have been president. thank you, Bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,092 by Silverlock 8/31/05 11:31:45 PM Reply	I thought you said clarity. The word has some meaning after all. Take some time to... Step 1. Insure you spell things correctly. Step 2. Use complete sentences. Step 3. Use actual punctuation. Step 4. Use capital letters where appropriate. You have no idea of how tired I am of trying to "read you in your posts". I keep trying though. It must be the masochist in me. I know you're a smart guy. I'd love to argue with you, but you piss me off with your constant laziness in written language. I'm sure as can be that you aren't lazy in other areas so why do you do fall down in this one? ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #222,094 by boxley 8/31/05 11:35:28 PM Reply	complete sentences check, capitals and periods check minimal usage of slang check. Facts, check no rebuttal check thank you for playing bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,104 by Silverlock 8/31/05 11:59:45 PM Reply	Full means full ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #222,146 by CRConrad 9/1/05 5:12:13 AM Reply	Capitals and periods yes, "complete" sentences, hardly... Fucking weird ones, anyway. Here's the second one: The hanging dimpled WTF even though there was no evidence of any mark for a presidential candidate (like my own ballot) was being counted as a gore vote by the Broward Election Commision. Now WHAT THE _F_U_C_K_ does that mean?!? The "hanging dimpled ..." WHAT was it that "was being counted as a gore vote"? The whole fucking sentence is only missing one of the two things that MAKE a bunch of words a sentence in the first place, namely a subject. That's what they call "complete" around where you live? And I wouldn't boast too much about my swanky capitalization, either, if I were you -- not as long as the screed is full of references to some "gore". [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #222,153 by boxley 9/1/05 7:51:49 AM Reply	CHAD 2 FSCKING YEARS OF HANGING, DIMPLED UNTOUCHED CHADS!!! "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,767 by CRConrad 9/4/05 5:00:54 PM Reply	A) Was that word there? B) Grammar 1/2-OK, facts wrong: For one thing, it weren't "CHAD 2 FSCKING YEARS OF HANGING, DIMPLED UNTOUCHED CHADS" that were counted -- "counted" being the predicate (or verb, to [over-]simplify) of the sentence, but ballots. Don't brag about your purported ability to write clear and correct English until you've actually shown you can do it. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #222,772 by boxley 9/4/05 5:11:51 PM Reply	neat. claim facts are wrong then beaitch about grammer "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,872 by CRConrad 9/5/05 5:05:08 AM Reply	You saying it is a FACT that CHADS were counted? That's FACTUALLY WRONG; it is BALLOTS -- each of which can have zero, one, or more "chads" -- "hanging", "dimpled", "pregnant", or not -- that count in Yank elections. So fuck you, boyo; that WAS A FACT you were wrong on, and I found out. (But yes, the grammar in that sentence was so egregious that it was even worse.) And actually, Boxster, I've TRIED several times to compose a post refuting all the other lies and truth-twistings in your original post... But I get so incredibly PISSED OFF every time I start, that in order to avoid a frigging heart attack, I've had to abandon it every time. But, hey, why don't you start by responding to the "Minor Nit" -- not so minor at all, really, but a crushing refutation of that particular point of yours -- that "Simon Jester" posted? Otherwise, I'll take it as given that you're conceding that at least on that point, you WERE wrong on the facts. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #222,879 by boxley 9/5/05 9:15:24 AM Reply	was my grammer wrong? Probably but my facts were not and my conclusions were sound based on laws at the time, published reports of what the Florida Legislature was threatening to do and the outcome of any electors from florida voting in any manner. Dem's were going to challenge the electors if the Florida Legislature sent them and repos were going to challenge the Florida electors if a judge stated the recounts were for Gore. In either case, the election would have went to the congress who were republican. Now put that into your copenhagen can and masticate it. Please also keep in mind that I have never voted for Bush, 41, 43 or Jeb so I am speaking impartially here. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,145 by CRConrad 9/1/05 5:05:14 AM Reply	What a pack of stupid lies. Shame on you, BOx.
Post #222,154 by boxley 9/1/05 7:52:18 AM Reply	feel free to dispute any of them, its true and you know it "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,422 by Ashton 9/2/05 7:17:07 AM Reply	What Is Truth? (toss ya a bone: Jesus said it was Him)
Post #222,426 by boxley 9/2/05 8:36:45 AM Reply	I met Jesus yesterday, he wanted to do my lawn "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #222,525 by Ashton 9/2/05 7:56:52 PM Reply	..that was Jes\ufffds
Post #222,545 by Simon_Jester 9/3/05 12:00:36 AM Reply	Minor nit The Gore campaign tried to reject all US servicemen absentee ballots and filed suit to not allow then to be counted. The Gore campaign tried to reject all US servicemen's absentee ballots that did not have postmarks. Military law requires postmarks on all mail going through the postal system. There still has not be a full investigation on why there was military mail without a postmark. Note: Civilian mail without a postmark would be rejected.
Post #227,598 by Another Scott 10/2/05 12:28:55 PM Reply	NYTimes corrections to Krugman column. [link\|http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001220139\|Editor and Publisher] on NYTimes editorial corrections (via Drudge): Collins also announced that the paper would henceforth be running regular corrections and "for the record" explanations under the Times' editorials. Today [October 1, 2005] she published several in the "for the record" category. One notes that Krugman, Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich all incorrectly stated that former FEMA director Michael Brown went to college with his predecessor Joe Allbaugh. Another corrects where Mick Jagger made a certain statement about economics. And here is what one hopes is the final word on that Krugman column, in the Sunday correction: "In describing the results of the ballot study by the group led by The Miami Herald in his column of Aug. 26, Paul Krugman relied on the Herald report, which listed only three hypothetical statewide recounts, two of which went to Al Gore. There was, however, a fourth recount, which would have gone to George W. Bush. In this case, the two stricter-standard recounts went to Mr. Bush. A later study, by a group that included The New York Times, used two methods to count ballots: relying on the judgment of a majority of those examining each ballot, or requiring unanimity. Mr. Gore lost one hypothetical recount on the unanimity basis." FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #227,618 by Ashton 10/2/05 5:19:23 PM Reply	{sigh} Add-to-Unsolved: 1) JFK ass'n 2) Bush vote-counts: 2x

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