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New Windows Dynamic Disks: Just Say No
OK, Chester, Just Say No next time.

I've been doing a little Googlism on the subject, and the information I've found seems to form a locus around the "it's crap" point.

Firstly, let's remind ourselves of what a Dynamic Disk actually is.

The short version is that it's a Windows proprietary disk format that does away with the partition table. The upside of this is that you can resize dynamic volumes, you can have as many as you like on a disk, do cheap'n'cheerful software RAID, and so on and so forth. The downside is that there's no partition table, so conventional recovery utilities that don't speak Dynamic Disk are stymied. Windows XP Home can't deal with Dynamic Disks, so systems running this OS are no good for recovery purposes. Whatever your Windows version, Dynamic Disks aren't supported on laptops.

One of the recurring themes in my Googlism is that when they break, they break hard. Transplanting the disk to another Windows computer and attempting to import the (now 'foreign') disk rarely works. You can convert it to a basic disk, but this will either lose all the data or save it all: do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?

Linux might work if you get a copy of the latest Knoppix; it allegedly can mount the volumes, allowing you to copy the data elsewhere.

Any attempt to fiddle with the partition table will result in data loss, because there isn't one.





Peter
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New You can do "cheap'n'cheerful software RAID"...?
...between "dynamic (non-)partitions" -- on the same physical drive?

"RAID", whether "cheap'n'cheerful" or not, whether "software" or not -- but on ONE AND THE SAME PHYSICAL DRIVE?!?

Yes, that certainly sounds like an idea so great that ONLY Microsoft could have come up with it.

DON'T "Just Say No".

SCREAM Nooooooo!


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New OS X goes even further
You can do software RAID on [link|http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm|USB floppy disk drives].



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New At least they seem to be *physically separate* floppy drives
So -- however meaningless and silly an excercise this was, in and of itself -- at least it didn't violate the whole idea of a RAID array; it appears this intrepid experimenter *did* actually experience a speed increase.

As opposed to the case with a "cheap'n'cheerful software RAID" array consisting of separate *partitions* (be they ordinary partitions, or "Windows Dynamic" ones) of the *same physical* drive, where there isn't even a theoretical chance of an improvement.

RAID-ing parts of the same actual disk hardware is an oxymoron, a symptom of a deep misunderstandidng (which this iMac tinkerer did *not* labour under) of the whole idea: However many partitions you split a disk up into, you've still only got the same number of heads and platters that you started with.


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New There is a theoretical chance of improvement on reading
If you do RAID-1, then on reading it can read from whichever copy happens to spin past the disk head first.

Of course writing is a lot slower.

Cheers,
Ben
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New All I can say is
Jeeez ... isn't that called Write-Only-Memory?


How'd that LRPD go? ~ a buffer for LISP and data you don't want to keep.
OSX... got an opinion on that scuttlebutt a few months back, that Steve is going to start grafting new 'loose-grade' Insanely-Great Featurez into OSX to compete with the M$ Toy-store? Just the usual uninformed nattering or could he be losing it, too?



Nice hint though ... burning another CD.

New Sounds like LVM under OS/2
though there are decent recovery utilities available, and there is a partition table; the difference is that LVM uses previously unused areas to store the volume information.

So far, my experiences with moving disks from one system to another has been perfect, but I'm far from having moved all possible permutations around.
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New Windows Dynamic Disks: Stripped down Veritas VM
Maybe some Veritas tools could help out on damaged disks.

I used Veritas VM on Solaris. I liked it a lot except for the rootdisk encapsulation.
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     Windows Dynamic Disks: Just Say No - (pwhysall) - (7)
         You can do "cheap'n'cheerful software RAID"...? - (CRConrad) - (3)
             OS X goes even further - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 At least they seem to be *physically separate* floppy drives - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     There is a theoretical chance of improvement on reading - (ben_tilly)
         All I can say is - (Ashton)
         Sounds like LVM under OS/2 - (jake123)
         Windows Dynamic Disks: Stripped down Veritas VM - (lister)

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