Post #219,862
8/18/05 12:53:01 AM
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Looks like the honeymoon is over.
Got re-orged
Time to start looking
Fuck
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
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"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #219,866
8/18/05 12:59:00 AM
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Shit.
Sorry to hear that; you sounded really happy there.
Best of luck.
Peter
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Post #219,867
8/18/05 12:59:39 AM
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Gah. Isn't it time for some more good news?
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #219,870
8/18/05 2:20:12 AM
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I'm sorry Todd
I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers that you find something else soon, preferably something that makes you happy.
Brenda
"Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
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Post #219,879
8/18/05 3:19:37 AM
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:( Sorry to hear that, man.
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Steve
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Post #219,883
8/18/05 3:42:05 AM
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Hate this crap.
Shit indeed.
Sure isn't about losing a Talent contest.
May it prove to be an entr\ufffde. It happens.
Treat self: smashing breakfast.
Ashton
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Post #219,885
8/18/05 6:41:06 AM
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Crap. Sorry to hear it. Luck to you.
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Post #219,890
8/18/05 8:19:05 AM
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So you're out, or it looks like you're going to be out?
Either way, that sucks. It sounded like you were enjoying the place. Good luck.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #219,901
8/18/05 9:54:39 AM
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I'm set up to fail
moved under a guy with a totally different style/priorities. I don't see this working out so I'm looking elsewhere within and beyond the co. If I stick around I suspect I'll eventually be removed due to "attitude problems" or something.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #219,912
8/18/05 10:22:23 AM
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Sucks
Sorry.
In what ways are you different?
Is he stupid enough to be antagonistic early on?
Have you already butt heads in previous ways (cross dept fighting?)
Is he a corp climber or a overreaching grey beard?
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Post #219,942
8/18/05 12:22:31 PM
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I no longer buy into management fad of the month
he has his direct reports read the latest bs mgt tome and then discuss it after hours. (This month is Joel Spolsky's latest package of old blog postings - an individual I view as not particularly insightful, yet a tireless self promoter). Couple rules I've developed include only reading things I find useful and not working outside of work hours unnecessarily.
I suppose I could simply refuse to play, but that makes me a contrarian in the team and can't be good for the team spirit. So I don't fit.
There are other issues involving deep architectural issues and dev priorities.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #219,943
8/18/05 12:27:05 PM
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I agree non essential after hr poo sniffing not required
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #219,948
8/18/05 12:49:39 PM
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I'd love to see that line on a job posting
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Post #219,950
8/18/05 12:54:45 PM
8/18/05 12:56:28 PM
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whoops, see below
"The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
Edited by imqwerky
Aug. 18, 2005, 12:56:28 PM EDT
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Post #219,952
8/18/05 12:55:38 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #219951 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219951|ICLRPD]
"The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
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Post #219,976
8/18/05 4:15:50 PM
8/18/05 4:16:38 PM
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Stick it out as long as you need to
Yeah, I know that it can suck being in a position like that. But try to be polite about his idiocy, and try not to provoke an incident that will result in your leaving until after you have another job lined up.
Cheers,
Ben
PS I share your attitude about Joel about 70-80% of the time. But occasionally he sends a dart in the right general direction.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Edited by ben_tilly
Aug. 18, 2005, 04:16:38 PM EDT
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Post #219,980
8/18/05 4:50:41 PM
8/18/05 7:45:45 PM
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That is the current plan
RE: Joel
A stopped clock is right twice a day but that doesn't make it useful.
Previous readings include
[link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0767907698|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/0767907698]
[link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385503865|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/0385503865]
[link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1401301436|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/1401301436]
I wonder when we'll get to "who moved my cheese"?
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #220,012
8/18/05 8:28:23 PM
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:-)
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Post #220,051
8/18/05 11:28:12 PM
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On the cheese book
SWMBO got a copy for nowt from somewhere. I tried to read it, but the writer just never got around to making any kind of point, although there was an awful lot of "why I wrote this book", aka "padding". Utterly pointless.
After a couple of chapters, I went back to The Long Dark Tea Time Of The Soul.
Peter
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Post #220,009
8/18/05 8:19:55 PM
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Speaking of Joel
Cincom has a comment about [link|http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3301840809|Joel's BDUF methodology]. :-)
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Post #220,013
8/18/05 8:30:31 PM
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:-D
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Post #220,017
8/18/05 9:01:26 PM
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Exactly, but as with much about Joel...
his misunderstandings are understandable.
Many of them are shaped by his experience at Microsoft. Which mostly means that he misunderstands many things in a Microsoft-centric way. But it sometimes means other things. For example at Microsoft his job, back when he was technical, was to produce design specs for Microsoft Excel. Having had the job of producing a big design up front, he is going to have a certain emotional commitment to the idea that this is a worthwhile thing to do.
To be fair, big design up front clearly was the right thing to do for a company like Microsoft which was shipping shrinkwrap and had large costs for each new rev that they put out. The idea of a weekly rev with incremental feedback would have simply not worked.
However the barrier that you have is that people usually can't really tell how much they like something before they see it in action. Which is why fast prototypes and incremental development help design out.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #219,917
8/18/05 10:35:39 AM
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Gah.
Too many places screw with their employees for politics.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #219,891
8/18/05 8:21:51 AM
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Hang in there. Luck with the search!
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Post #219,894
8/18/05 8:36:19 AM
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Well, damn.
I know a place that is desperately seeking an administrator; however the current admin is leaving because he's not happy with the way he and I were treated. :P
Good luck, I'll keep my eyes open. Forward me your CV, and I'll throw it around.
apt-get install godlike-powers
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Post #219,895
8/18/05 8:45:23 AM
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Look on the bright side
Look on the bright side, the job market is probably the best know it has been any time since 2000. When I put my resume out earlier this year I had recruiters calling me out of the blue. Hopefully the market is equally good where you are looking.
Still, changing jobs sucks when you like the job you had.
Jay
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Post #219,896
8/18/05 9:16:36 AM
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oh Todd- I cant believe it!
This isnt supposed to be happening! WTF happened?
I'm going to Muskegon today for the weekend. Check your home email
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Post #219,907
8/18/05 10:10:29 AM
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well hope tech in that area is hiring,
that happened to me in tampa, relo then told no job.
I know you dont want to move again so fingies crossed.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #219,953
8/18/05 1:05:06 PM
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Really sorry to hear about that Todd
I'm sure you'll land on your feet though.
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Post #219,962
8/18/05 2:12:10 PM
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K-rap. Sorry to hear that.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #219,999
8/18/05 6:33:34 PM
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Damn!
Are you in immediate danger?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #220,003
8/18/05 6:53:40 PM
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Sorry man. Hang in 'til you're over some place soft to drop.
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Post #220,019
8/18/05 9:06:07 PM
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Sorry it's over.
Perhaps it's an opportunity to move to warmer climes. Google or eBay in CA?
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #220,035
8/18/05 10:36:47 PM
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Yeah...lemme know if you find something "back home" in NM
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #220,070
8/19/05 12:40:45 AM
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I've only been in this house a little over a month
and haven't even finished unpacking. Google has something in Kirkland. Big river is pretty big though, hopefully I'll find a new niche.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #220,071
8/19/05 12:45:54 AM
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Cringers flossed. Hope you get to keep the boat commute.
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Post #220,072
8/19/05 12:48:06 AM
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Good luck and best wishes
Seems there is a lot of feces hitting the rotational cooling device lately. May your search be brief and profitable. And may you not get any afore referenced fecal material on your shoes :-D
Peace,
Amy
"The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
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Post #220,105
8/19/05 11:27:37 AM
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ouch. hope you find something better suited to you close by
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #220,210
8/20/05 1:43:36 AM
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That's a little misleading.
I read your post to mean you'd been laid off or fired, not that you've merely got a manager you don't much like.
That sucks too, mind, but not nearly as much as what I thought had occurred, based on your post.
Peter
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Post #220,212
8/20/05 1:47:36 AM
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Yeah, well....
Todd's never been an ass kissing political type like me.
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Post #220,213
8/20/05 1:49:05 AM
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Chuckle of the day.
At least you're honest, buttkisser.
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Post #220,214
8/20/05 1:53:13 AM
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I have The Picture.
Lemme get this thing on t'interweb. Box knows the one.
Peter
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Post #220,220
8/20/05 2:30:07 AM
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Hey, my boss takes care of me
I take care of him.
I figure I have a direct responsibility to the company.
I make them money, they pay me.
I have also have an interest in keeping my boss happy.
As long has his behaviour is not in direct contradiction to the company doing well, I support him.
I will not argue in public (unless he tells me to), but I'll rip him a new asshole in private if I think he needs it.
But my job it to make him look good, as long as it is not in contradiction to the company doing well. Pretty simple.
If there comes a time I determine it is no longer in the company's best interest to support him, I'll throw him to the wolves. But I don't see that happening. He is both way too smart and way too ethical to cross that line.
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Post #220,222
8/20/05 2:37:08 AM
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I don't think our definitions match
I wouldn't call that rump licking politiking, it's operating in your corporate culture with savvy, couth, and wisdom. Throw some accountability in there for good measure.
An ass kisser would NEVER give his boss an ass reaming, no matter how bad he needed it. Except maybe on the day he got fired.
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Post #220,241
8/20/05 3:46:26 PM
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Think so?
I've been fired three times in my career - most recently from cheap bastards. I'm getting good at spotting the environment in which I cannot swim for long and this one smells like that.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #223,073
9/6/05 8:34:15 AM
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Any possibility of internal transfer?
You employer should be large anough by now...
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Post #223,426
9/7/05 12:25:39 PM
8/21/07 6:37:25 AM
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Working on it
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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