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New Re: {chortle}___triple entendre?
Indeed - the thing the Alchemists were trying to do is illuminated by the fact that one of the metals they used to try to turn into gold was - gold.

They were looking for "true gold" of which the yellow shiny stuff is a mere shadow. The Philospher's Stone (which recently had to be translated as "Sorceror's Stone" for American kids).

It was (for a lot of them anyway) a mystical thing. Far closer to individualistic shamanism than to science. It was odd religion, not bad science.

But even they would have laughed at the ID nonsense. They knew better from both the science and the theology direction.
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New Howdy Mike, how's life? (new thread)
Created as new thread #218316 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=218316|Howdy Mike, how's life?]
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New OT: Nice to know Mike Huber lives!
Alex

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
New Thou sayest..
I've saved [framed] for many years a crude (magazine clip-out?) titled, "The Astronomer" - though it is an archetypal sketch of a Wizerd nee Alchemist, bearded, poring over a massive tome / background of comets, galaxies and the like -- lacking only the Conical cap. Apropos that it is also now faded, as would be any original.

Have always respected that branch, seeing them as a small, dedicated force against the vox populi ignoramus / the Great Darkness of then-burgeoning corporate theology - which plagues the species, still. They may have been (I can have no opinion on that) the closest? the 'West' ever came to an awareness of metaphysical possibilities, via an actual work-ethic -- of the sort which might have led the brightest to earnestly study the writings of the Sages of that quite older 'East'. No doubt with the usual sprinkling of charlatans (no, not Heston).

As the makings of a fakir-guru demand Attention over decades, so have we devolved to the short-attention span, that which we love to guffaw about.

Some of the rich probably have treasure troves of many of these works as look fine on a library wall / lab-notebooks which are apt never to be copied, let alone translated - they will pass from collector to collector (maybe as a couple of my pristine Tek scopes will - for their Art?). Better than cutting out squares inside to hide Rolexes, I guess.

Ah well,
Easy come /

     "The President and Intelligent Design" - (rcareaga) - (49)
         May consider this a silly "defense" - (bepatient) - (40)
             Yes, it is a silly defense. - (Another Scott) - (37)
                 Hear,Hear! - (imqwerky) - (15)
                     So to further BeeP's argument - (jb4) - (14)
                         FEH! - (imqwerky) - (7)
                             Almost - (bepatient)
                             And when the parents are NOT asleep at the wheel... - (jb4) - (1)
                                 OT: Yes, Asleep at the Wheel is awesome -NT - (imqwerky)
                             Prec\ufffdsamente! - one Must teach 'lying'! in order to teach - (Ashton) - (3)
                                 Surprisingly, I would think communication is improving - (imqwerky) - (2)
                                     In the immortal words of Studs Terkel - (Ashton) - (1)
                                         It has been my experience - (imqwerky)
                         Bring back alchemy - (ChrisR) - (5)
                             {chortle}___triple entendre? - (Ashton) - (4)
                                 Re: {chortle}___triple entendre? - (mhuber) - (3)
                                     Howdy Mike, how's life? (new thread) - (Steve Lowe)
                                     OT: Nice to know Mike Huber lives! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                     Thou sayest.. - (Ashton)
                 Not really my point - (bepatient) - (20)
                     OK... - (Another Scott) - (10)
                         You're still arguing the specific - (bepatient) - (9)
                             Ok, clear enough. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 I know, I know - (bepatient)
                             now we have the religious teaching science hows about math? - (boxley) - (4)
                                 chuckle -NT - (bepatient)
                                 Box, I didn't get to talk to you much - (imqwerky) - (1)
                                     I got sidetracked with arkidy, and jimbo's family -NT - (boxley)
                                 That shows why professors of philosophy shouldn't do math. - (Another Scott)
                             Let's look at that 'degrees of importance' a tad - - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 Is that what that was? - (bepatient)
                     Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         Well, when ya parse everythin into Opposites.. it's ez. -NT - (Ashton)
                         Yes Peter. - (bepatient)
                     Teach it in a Philosophy class - (jb4) - (5)
                         well Islam_LD_LIBDIR=$Israeli_RUN_LIBDIR -NT - (boxley)
                         Why not? - (bepatient) - (1)
                             Cool...Got no problem with that... - (jb4)
                         Buddhism doesn't *have* a creation myth -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                             :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton)
             Re: May consider this a silly "defense" - (JayMehaffey)
             Yes, it IS a silly defense - (jb4)
         Irony. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
             Dunno, mean and stupid seems to work rather well -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 Mean-and-Stupid Design! /me giggles uncontrollably - (jb4)
         Doesn't the existance of Bush make ID a oxymoron? -NT - (Silverlock) - (4)
             aN oxymoron. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 That's what happens when you need to save every keystroke po -NT - (Silverlock)
                 Re: aN oxymoron. HTH. - (mhuber) - (1)
                     Horrorshow! -NT - (Another Scott)

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