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Post #218,289
by imric
8/8/05 10:16:36 PM
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New Except, of course
the BSD is working as designed. USE is all. Ask Brett Glass.

And if the GPLed software is not redistributed (and it is not, via web services) then there is no harm, no foul. Only if the profits being made are what is being resented is there a problem. Listening to the arguments here, I have to believe that's the case.

v3. Anti-business and designed that way.
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Post #218,298
by JayMehaffey
8/8/05 10:47:55 PM
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New Not anti-Buisness
The GPL is not anti-buisness. It is pro-end-user freedom. That this freedom gets in the way of buisness sometimes is a not so unfortunate side effect.

And in any case, if your really intent on being pro-buisness then you shouldn't support any OSS at all. The ability to download BSD gets in the way of Microsoft charging you for an OS after all.

I also think you are missing some serious considerations that mean even for buisness use the GPL has advantages. For instance, why would anybody ever release software under the BSD liscense? For a buisness all it is doing is lowering the entrance cost of competition, who will find it easier to get into the buisness if they don't have to write software from the ground up. And for a single developer, the GPL forces any company that builds on my work to pay me for my work by making their changes available also.

More over, even if a company never plans to modify software, there is an advantage to the GPL. By making the code available, you fight platform lock in and can see what the system actually does. Even if the vendor goes out of buisness, my companies ability to use that platform is not destroyed.

Jay
Post #218,300
by imric
8/8/05 10:50:32 PM
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New *shrug* same as BSD
You've all managed to convince me that Brett Glass was right from the start. I am ashamed.

Mark my words, though, there will be a licensing fork to end all licensing forks if the GPLv3 is not changed.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


     This has been bugging me. - (imric) - (72) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:28:30 PM EDT
         It's the usual cack. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:58:45 PM EDT
             Nonsense, Peter. - (imric) - (12) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:19:00 PM EDT
                 I repeat. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:27:25 PM EDT
                     I care about this, Peter. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:38:01 PM EDT
                         I don't doubt that you care. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:44:15 PM EDT
                             It's true that it may be less of a problem - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:53:44 PM EDT
                 the fact that you dont distribute your software - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:11 PM EDT
                     disgruntled >>--> Whistleblower laws. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:39:50 PM EDT
                 Also, looky here: - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:33 PM EDT
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:41:18 PM EDT
                     Woo hoo. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:42:17 PM EDT
                         Remember, existing GPLv2 software will remain GPLv2 - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:46:09 PM EDT
                             ROFL - just posted that is a mitigating factor... - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:54:36 PM EDT
                     He who controls the compiler... - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:49:32 PM EDT
         How is it ridiculous? - (JayMehaffey) - (36) - Aug. 8, 2005, 03:49:56 PM EDT
             Bravo. -NT - (folkert) - (23) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:32 PM EDT
                 Guess you don't want to use application source - (imric) - (22) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:04:34 PM EDT
                     Here is my grounds for poo-pooing your concern. - (folkert) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:10:58 PM EDT
                         No. Wrong. And this is why - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:25:40 PM EDT
                             Exactly the kind of response I expected. - (folkert) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:35:15 PM EDT
                                 Horsecrap. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:00:19 PM EDT
                                     The binaries have not been distributed . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:52:35 PM EDT
                                         And then GPL4. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:53:45 PM EDT
                                         Or most OSS used for web services won't be GPL3 -NT - (tonytib) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:09:09 AM EDT
                     Another train of thought, I need to mention. - (folkert) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:23:20 PM EDT
                         question, using go-global - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:35:34 PM EDT
                             I knowest not. -NT - (folkert) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:36:27 PM EDT
                         Since MS software is licenced per user - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:26:59 PM EDT
                             No... there is only one user. - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:33:46 PM EDT
                                 Again, ridiculous. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:59:23 PM EDT
                     Excuse me. I am a programmer. - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:55:39 PM EDT
                         there is a place for all kinds - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:35:29 PM EDT
                             Perl's licensing situation is interesting - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:47:14 PM EDT
                         Not at all, Ben. - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:44:15 PM EDT
                             Perspective is all - (ChrisR) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:57:19 PM EDT
                                 Pirates? - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:53 PM EDT
                                     Pirate analogy is a different issue - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:42:16 PM EDT
                                         I disagree - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:46:16 PM EDT
                                             The original instigation for FSF - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:16:18 PM EDT
             How is that a 'loophole' unless - (imric) - (11) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:46 PM EDT
                 It's a loophole for the FSF. - (pwhysall) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:05:12 PM EDT
                     http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=21 - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:07:22 PM EDT
                         Your point? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:10:54 PM EDT
                             I started this - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:30 PM EDT
                     Business Interests - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:25:20 PM EDT
                         Most businesses... - (pwhysall) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:35 PM EDT
                         Same difference, if the apps are GPLed. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:29:02 PM EDT
                 It's contrary to the spirit of the GPL - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:45:32 PM EDT
                     Except, of course - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:16:36 PM EDT
                         Not anti-Buisness - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:55 PM EDT
                             *shrug* same as BSD - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:50:32 PM EDT
         Sorry Skip, you are lacking some significant clues - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:41:42 PM EDT
             Ruining business? - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:06:32 PM EDT
                 And you're still missing the point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:42:27 AM EDT
                     And that's what I did - I slept on it. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:08:34 AM EDT
         I was going to say something smart-ass here, - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:11:07 PM EDT
             No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (imric) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:58:06 PM EDT
                 Re: No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:23 PM EDT
                 Religion? - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:32:07 PM EDT
                     Listen carefully, now. - (imric) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:31 PM EDT
                         A collective yawn - (ChrisR) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:37:29 PM EDT
                             Long term = 0 - (bepatient) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:01:56 AM EDT
                             I don't think he's talking about selling mods . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:15:34 AM EDT
                                 Correct - reselling not the point. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:00:45 AM EDT
                 I think I understand where you're coming from. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:49:19 PM EDT
                     Yeah. I think the 'coming fork' is a bad thing, though -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:09:48 PM EDT
                 I think this is where you are going wrong - (JayMehaffey) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:10:42 PM EDT
                 I am not missing this point. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 9, 2005, 05:53:10 PM EDT
                     I see what you're saying - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:13:59 PM EDT
                         BTW, this discussion should really be moved to (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:15:33 PM EDT
         Several things - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:32:38 AM EDT
             More good points (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 08:47:45 AM EDT

That's not fair! I'm just a transparent rhetorical device!
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