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Post #218,173
by pwhysall
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8/8/05 4:10:54 PM
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New Your point?
The FSF don't care at all about that, and that is precisely the point I'm trying to convey.

You will NEVER sway the FSF with an argument about "business" or "the workplace".

It's a bit like trying to convince a Republican of the virtues of a rise in income tax in order to subsidise free healthcare for all.

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Post #218,177
by imric
8/8/05 4:28:30 PM
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New I started this
trying to get somebody to tell me where I was wrong.

The GPL is the FSF's, true.

The software is not.

I think v3 is a disaster that will wreck what could be a revolution in software development; and software has never been more important than it is now. If I can't sway the FSF (and you're right, I think I'd have more luck trying to talk the Hubble back into orbit), then I'll take my misgivings to forums, hoping to reach developers. If they all say "fuck you, and fuck business", then the code base will split, one for business, one for the FSF disciples, and the FSF will deserve both obscurity and curses.

I truly hope my paramism (pessanoia?) is misplaced, but I don't think so.
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     This has been bugging me. - (imric) - (72) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:28:30 PM EDT
         It's the usual cack. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:58:45 PM EDT
             Nonsense, Peter. - (imric) - (12) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:19:00 PM EDT
                 I repeat. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:27:25 PM EDT
                     I care about this, Peter. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:38:01 PM EDT
                         I don't doubt that you care. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:44:15 PM EDT
                             It's true that it may be less of a problem - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:53:44 PM EDT
                 the fact that you dont distribute your software - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:11 PM EDT
                     disgruntled >>--> Whistleblower laws. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:39:50 PM EDT
                 Also, looky here: - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:33 PM EDT
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:41:18 PM EDT
                     Woo hoo. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:42:17 PM EDT
                         Remember, existing GPLv2 software will remain GPLv2 - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:46:09 PM EDT
                             ROFL - just posted that is a mitigating factor... - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:54:36 PM EDT
                     He who controls the compiler... - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:49:32 PM EDT
         How is it ridiculous? - (JayMehaffey) - (36) - Aug. 8, 2005, 03:49:56 PM EDT
             Bravo. -NT - (folkert) - (23) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:32 PM EDT
                 Guess you don't want to use application source - (imric) - (22) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:04:34 PM EDT
                     Here is my grounds for poo-pooing your concern. - (folkert) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:10:58 PM EDT
                         No. Wrong. And this is why - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:25:40 PM EDT
                             Exactly the kind of response I expected. - (folkert) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:35:15 PM EDT
                                 Horsecrap. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:00:19 PM EDT
                                     The binaries have not been distributed . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:52:35 PM EDT
                                         And then GPL4. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:53:45 PM EDT
                                         Or most OSS used for web services won't be GPL3 -NT - (tonytib) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:09:09 AM EDT
                     Another train of thought, I need to mention. - (folkert) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:23:20 PM EDT
                         question, using go-global - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:35:34 PM EDT
                             I knowest not. -NT - (folkert) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:36:27 PM EDT
                         Since MS software is licenced per user - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:26:59 PM EDT
                             No... there is only one user. - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:33:46 PM EDT
                                 Again, ridiculous. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:59:23 PM EDT
                     Excuse me. I am a programmer. - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:55:39 PM EDT
                         there is a place for all kinds - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:35:29 PM EDT
                             Perl's licensing situation is interesting - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:47:14 PM EDT
                         Not at all, Ben. - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:44:15 PM EDT
                             Perspective is all - (ChrisR) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:57:19 PM EDT
                                 Pirates? - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:53 PM EDT
                                     Pirate analogy is a different issue - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:42:16 PM EDT
                                         I disagree - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:46:16 PM EDT
                                             The original instigation for FSF - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:16:18 PM EDT
             How is that a 'loophole' unless - (imric) - (11) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:46 PM EDT
                 It's a loophole for the FSF. - (pwhysall) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:05:12 PM EDT
                     http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=21 - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:07:22 PM EDT
                         Your point? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:10:54 PM EDT
                             I started this - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:30 PM EDT
                     Business Interests - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:25:20 PM EDT
                         Most businesses... - (pwhysall) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:35 PM EDT
                         Same difference, if the apps are GPLed. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:29:02 PM EDT
                 It's contrary to the spirit of the GPL - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:45:32 PM EDT
                     Except, of course - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:16:36 PM EDT
                         Not anti-Buisness - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:55 PM EDT
                             *shrug* same as BSD - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:50:32 PM EDT
         Sorry Skip, you are lacking some significant clues - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:41:42 PM EDT
             Ruining business? - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:06:32 PM EDT
                 And you're still missing the point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:42:27 AM EDT
                     And that's what I did - I slept on it. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:08:34 AM EDT
         I was going to say something smart-ass here, - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:11:07 PM EDT
             No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (imric) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:58:06 PM EDT
                 Re: No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:23 PM EDT
                 Religion? - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:32:07 PM EDT
                     Listen carefully, now. - (imric) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:31 PM EDT
                         A collective yawn - (ChrisR) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:37:29 PM EDT
                             Long term = 0 - (bepatient) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:01:56 AM EDT
                             I don't think he's talking about selling mods . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:15:34 AM EDT
                                 Correct - reselling not the point. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:00:45 AM EDT
                 I think I understand where you're coming from. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:49:19 PM EDT
                     Yeah. I think the 'coming fork' is a bad thing, though -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:09:48 PM EDT
                 I think this is where you are going wrong - (JayMehaffey) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:10:42 PM EDT
                 I am not missing this point. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 9, 2005, 05:53:10 PM EDT
                     I see what you're saying - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:13:59 PM EDT
                         BTW, this discussion should really be moved to (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:15:33 PM EDT
         Several things - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:32:38 AM EDT
             More good points (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 08:47:45 AM EDT

So yeah, this is a thing. One of those things that you come across online that makes you think, "That's enough internet for the day."
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