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Post #218,102 by imqwerky 8/8/05 11:22:08 AM Reply	FEH! We should also teach in our science classes that the earth is the Center of the Universe, and the Sun (or is it spelled Son?) revolves around the Earth? And that the Earth is flat? Sure, teach them as cautionary tales. Teach them what happened to Galileo...that he died a broken man because he was forced to renounce the Truth; that you might get an apology 359 years later from an enlightened authority figure, but at least your name will be vindicated by an establishment for whom you long ago lost respect. [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei\|http://en.wikipedia....i/Galileo_Galilei] This is not only an exercise in information. This is an exercise in character-building. It is about standing up for your rights, your belief in the truth. Dead-on, solid proof. Following the scientific method, gathering data to prove a hypothesis. Our kids are smart...incredibly smart. And yet, they seem to be sheltered much more than we were as kids. They need more life skills. It's time to take the training wheels off and allow them to get skinned knees and elbows. Sure, it will hurt, but they will be fine. Just like we were. If you all remember, we had our own little tempests in teapots. We dealt with racial stereotypes, gender stereotypes, more defined socio-economic classifications and intense sexual and emotional repression. Quite frankly, the most important ingredient in all this is the family. If the parents are asleep at the wheel, then naturally, there will be no one to correct any misinformation being spewed at the font of the public school. If the parents agree with the cup-full of knowledge that their children are bringing home, they will send them back for more. If not, then the parents will essentially toss it out, and fill it up at home and/or do what they can to "change the mix" at the pump and move on. It's all our hands. Peace, Amy Illegitimi non corborundum.
Post #218,112 by bepatient 8/8/05 12:53:52 PM Reply	Almost a defense of what I knew was a silly premise when I started it. But exactly why I did start it. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #218,115 by jb4 8/8/05 1:39:51 PM Reply	And when the parents are NOT asleep at the wheel... ...butr are the very source of that misinformation? After all, I don't see many kids clamoring at the Bored of Education for a four-year course in ID, do you? (Asleep at the Wheel...Good '70s country swing band, BTW....) jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #218,207 by imqwerky 8/8/05 5:41:20 PM Reply	OT: Yes, Asleep at the Wheel is awesome Illegitimi non corborundum.
Post #218,180 by Ashton 8/8/05 4:30:07 PM Reply	Prec\ufffdsamente! - one Must teach 'lying'! in order to teach the so more-difficult..not-lying. (Well, not-lying.. at least by intent, whether or not actualized ;-) Which is the message [again!] of The Tyranny of Words [Stuart Chase] and that entire new field - muddled by prolix Korzybski and explained brilliantly, to-an-8 yo, by Chase: 'semantics' yada. Quite frankly, the most important ingredient in all this is the family. If the parents are asleep at the wheel, then naturally, there will be no one to correct any misinformation being spewed at the font of the public school. If the parents agree with the cup-full of knowledge that their children are bringing home, they will send them back for more. If not, then the parents will essentially toss it out, and fill it up at home and/or do what they can to "change the mix" at the pump and move on. Scary, that, for being unarguable and inescapably depressing. Vulture Capitalism does not recognize any 'needs of society', but only the Econ numbers re maximizing of profits-for-a very small-some: at any cost to all. And as the %[Gross-National-'wealth'] concentrates daily into fewer pockets / which hold this view en-bloc: one can see the denying-force for any Murican renewal(?) Short of blood in streets, of course - the usual path of last resort. Where there is no space left for ALLOWED family contact/interaction, while one/both parents are incarcerated in small cubicles for 8+ hours straight, and little energy remains at night, after the commute -asleep at the wheel may be no figure-of-speech- - for instigating actual Conversation, discussion-even-debate! - amidst the plethora of transistorized escapes now universal - what do you get? How Does? one get outta this Chicken Outfit. One asks. The Rat Race idea is so pass\ufffd, when the hamster cage has now become, literally -The Cubicle- no? [Saw this great cartoon: with a hamster-bottle, human-size - in a cubicle. QED] Now as to what 10/7 fluorescent lighting in lieu of honest Sunlight, does? to one's pineal gland/psyche.. another discussion. Ain't that a pisser? 'Freedom' - [Hah] Let's kill some more to Spread it all over. (Praise little-Jesus and his pal, Dick! in that Crusade.) moi
Post #218,220 by imqwerky 8/8/05 6:13:36 PM 8/8/05 10:35:36 PM Reply	Surprisingly, I would think communication is improving Because of cellphones and instant messaging and email, (and this is purely experiential) I think there are more ways for kids to communicate with their parents, albeit impersonally. However, there is a certain safeness to these modes of communication because: 1)there is no interruption of the thought process(at lease with im and email and text messages) and 2)the user has control over when the message begins and ends and the distance involved creates a buffer zone. So, with technology has come new means of communicating, even though the price of technology and the standard of living mandates a two-income household and latch-key kids. At least with PalmPilots,Blackberries, etc, there is a means to stay in contact and keep current on the events of the day, week, month, year. One can keep track of important events such as when is Susie's piano recital? When does Ahmed perform in the Talent Show? When is Meet the Teacher night? Now, skipping over to concern of ID being in the classroom, there will be an uproar from teachers and concerned parents who KNOW that this is complete and total male bovine excrement. Witness the following linkage: [link\|http://www.nsta.org/pressroom&news_story_ID=50794\|http://www.nsta.org/...ws_story_ID=50794] I truly believe that there will somehow be enough noise made by the intelligencia and this issue will get reduced to the compost of "Bad ideas". Till then, I keep chanting the Mantra,"They can't re-elect him! They can't re-elect him!" [link\|http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdown.html?year=2008&month=11&date=4&hrs=20&min=0&sec=0&title=Countdown%20to%20the%202008%20US%20Presidential%20election&bgcolor=%23DFFFFC\|http://www.7is7.com/...bgcolor=%23DFFFFC] Peace, Amy Illegitimi non corborundum. Edited by imqwerky Aug. 8, 2005, 10:35:36 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #218,295 by Ashton 8/8/05 10:42:42 PM Reply	In the immortal words of Studs Terkel a few years back, heard on car radio - his quip, after a brilliant essay was ~ Oh yes, 'communications' (are) everywhere. But communication? That may not stand-alone sans voice inflections, but I think he made the case for there being a plethora of gadgets that have that name on them, but which do not foster other than the most superficial kinds of [??] fact-exchange? and often just - time-filling - as all those kids sending text messages with Nothing in them except, Yo! Got yer Yo! Yo! back. And far from.. just the younger 'kids'. But I do hope yours is the better perception, because if it's not, or not in-time = before the nukes start making brownish/purplish flowers grow.. no more time to grow up after that. (After the first few, IMO it will most likely descend to the Rand Corp's apt description, from the birth of that first? Think Tank in the '50s: spasm war.) I remember Edward Teller, LeMay et al and their Spirit Lives in Kissy and the other stone-cold-faced neoconmen and, in little-Jesus: in Spades. Zealots all. I'm periodically lobbying the Bulletin (of the Atomic Scientists) to move that clock a lot closer than 7-of-Midnight, as it remains on my last issue. Not that anyone much reads that, except those who already Get It about those 40K or more individual funeral pyres and the minutes-away launch of Too-many, which the US or Russia might opt-for any time. We have to recall often now: both these Nuke Supers are now under Authoritarian near-One-'man' governance and the Codes-Bagman assuredly Is.. Some movers/shakers Do notice that symbol, en passant.. it's Logo-World/Slogan-World for most -- ergo I focus just now on That simple but Pithy one. For all our sakes, I certainly hope that the \ufffd-cel conversations which I overhear -- are not the sort which your kids immerse in. There's no question what is possible with all this techno, but we have a rather poor record of using any of them for more than mindless time-killing. Of course a real SHOCK could alter all of that. But.. Can anything less? candles lit.
Post #218,307 by imqwerky 8/8/05 11:13:07 PM Reply	It has been my experience and I realize that, perhaps, because I'm a qwerky being, I am not the norm, but, communication (sans "s") with my own children is quite good. A straw poll of my small corner of the universe indicates that kids are using the available technologies to communicate with their parents as well. Now, I know that I may be presumptuous to extrapolate that to the nation at large, but if it is happening here, can I not believe that it is happening somewhere else? There will always be that sector of the population that will continue to lack what we consider a decent relationship with their parental unit(s), whether it is due to substance abuse, economic distress, gang involvement or any other detrimental influence. For that, I grieve. For that, I wish to continue my education and do something about it. "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." I want to get my master's in Psychology (and maybe even go for the Ph.D.) and become a counselor for a junior high somewhere. I love those kids. I have a knack for relating to them. I had a ball driving carpool for my son for the two years he was attending jr. high. The things I heard (I listened...something that parents rarely do) made me realize the hurdles that that age group faces. Kids these days have an incredible spirit though I have seen how delicate it can be. If I can help these wonderful individuals to flourish, we will have some mighty fine adults to lead us into the future. Peace, Amy Illegitimi non corborundum.

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