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New First off...
Is there any browser wars going on?

Did someone turn off LM_Annouce on the W2K machine in question?

Did someone enable and then disable ADS?

Any kind of "local" firewall product? Blocking port 445? (this would be the first line to check :)

That is all I can come up with.

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New Re: First off...
Well, for browser wars we turned all computers off and brought them up one at a time testing. No difference at any point.

Well, "Enable LM Lookups" was checked. Is there some other place for Announce?

No ADS anywhere and no boxes with Server edition OS.

Told her to try with the personal firewall turned off, but that has not bee reconfiged since everything worked. Don't know if she's done that yet but I don't have great hopes.



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New It really sounds like
a failing service or something.

But, W2K/XP choose to communicate with each other on port 445, no matter if it is open or not. Once the discover each other is an "NT derivative"

This leads me to believe it has to do with Port 445 being locked/blocked bound by something else.

Ports 138/139 are for W9X.

hmmm, wonder if something got shoe-horned in to port 445 as a wrapper or something. Trying to listen or something, for passwords and stuff.

Also just a hunch, but if the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Service is not running (properly) on the computer, you'll see some of the same types of things. Make sure it is running, Microsoft Management Console->Services->TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Service, enable it.

Oh, you'll need enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP, since this is a mixed "OS" network. (just for posterities sake if you've already done this.
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New Yea, I kinda think this may be another case . . .
. . of my most profitable software category - scumware.

Being a firm believer in Norton she says she's clean, but I bet not. Unfortunately she's been doing urgent accounting functions all the time I've been there so I haven't had a chance to apply my special tools to check it out.

NetBIOS over TCP/IP has, of course been turned on or she wouldn't see the Win98 boxes and vice versa.
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New Then please keep us (at least me) updated on prognosis!
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New That may not be possible.
She called in this morning for guidance doing a repair install of Windows 2000. The install bombed at one point but she hasn't called back so I guess it went through on the restart. We'll see if the problem's gone or if it's gone now and pops up again.
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New Shucks.
I just wish people understood what they are trying to do when they go through the motions.
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New Well, her reinstall didn't work.
Not only didn't it fix her problem, she no longer had internet access and other things were screwed. I've never before seen a Windows 2000 repair cycle turn out so badly.

I tried to uninstall Norton Internet Security but it insisted on Internet Explorer 5.5 or greater and her install was 5.0. Installed 5.5 from the Norton CD and Internet access worked again, the rest didn't. Tried again to uninstall Norton (all Norton software is written by the Devil himself I'm quite certain) and it claimed Windows Installer wasn't installed, offered to install it and errored out. The Windows Installer was already installed, by the way.

Anyway, I cleaned up a few more things, found one common browser hijacking adware program and destructed it. It never caused network problems on other computers so I doubt it was the cause here.

Then I deinstalled both NetBEUI and TCP/IP (I hadn't uninstall TCP/IP yesterday because it was the one thing that was working). Rebooted and reinstalled both protocols and the network worked fine. HP printer drivers were still mashed but otherwise it seemed to work.

When I left it was downloading security patch 37 of 52 from Microsoft Update.


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     Now here's an odd one . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (23)
         I saw something like that at work. - (Another Scott) - (6)
             Thanks, but that's just backwards from here. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                 Flakey hub or switch somewhere? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Switched switch ports with a working W2K box . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Microsoft and SMB. - (static) - (2)
                 Love. It. - perspicacious employment of__acreted - (Ashton) - (1)
                     Meh. I was lazy. :-) -NT - (static)
         Dodgy WINS? -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
             No WINS - (Andrew Grygus)
         rip out everything but tcpip? -NT - (boxley) - (3)
             Windows networking will stop if he does that -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 exactly -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                     point. -NT - (pwhysall)
         Verify no duplicate machine names. - (Silverlock) - (1)
             Nope, I know every machine (all 8 of them) . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         First off... - (folkert) - (7)
             Re: First off... - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                 It really sounds like - (folkert) - (5)
                     Yea, I kinda think this may be another case . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                         Then please keep us (at least me) updated on prognosis! -NT - (folkert) - (3)
                             That may not be possible. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                 Shucks. - (folkert) - (1)
                                     Well, her reinstall didn't work. - (Andrew Grygus)

Beats turning True Believers into Soylent Green. Doesn't it?
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