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New OT: No good info, only responding
> Barry R really liked Ecrix, although
> he's moved on the bigger things (AIT IIRC).

Acck, my ears are burning.

Here's my progression:
QIC - not consumer, no matter what anyone says, just
old. In those days, the only competition other than
mainframe 9 track and 3480 was Exabyte, which had
a horrible history.

DAT - 2GB. When I had 3x600MB o'disk it was fine.

Original DLT in a 7 slot autochanger. Fast if you
could feed it, HORRIBLE if you could not.

DAT 4/8 GB (I think). Just because I needed to read one.

Original Exabyte, to read from an RS6000.

DUAL AIT in specialized enclosure with compression
card. Cost me $22K for 2, ie: 4 drives. Was to backup
300GB. Too pricey, but big and fast.

Then I did a little dance with ECRIXs. Bought about a dozen of
them. Sprinkled them like fairy dust. Too slow, though,
for any backup > 100GB, and when I do one'off backups
by hand, for panic, way too slow. 3-6MB per second.
Restore time was pretty bad too. Very cheap for the
capacity, though.

Now I'm in love with Exabyte Mammoth M2 in EZ17 robotic
enclosure, 7 tapes. $6K for the box. Backup runs between
10 - 25MB per second, depending on compressability. Each
tape holds about 70GB already compressed data, 100-200GB
raw data. Restore runs at about 15-30MB per second
and that is what REALLY counts when you are sweating. I
currently have 8 of them.
New BTW, did you see that Exabyte bought Ecrix?
At work, we're using DAT-3, but are getting close to its limits. So I did some quick research to see what the options cost, and found out the Exabyte had done some buying.

$6K is too much for us; realistic max cost will be $2K (and $1.5K is better). I didn't find any loaders in that price range, but did find DDS-4, Exabyte Ecrix, AIT, and DLT drives. However, any new purchase is probably six months away.

Tony

New So, the question now is:
Did they buy it to kill it - or did they buy it to sell the product.

More often than not, purchases by an "established name" are to kill a threatening technology.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Well, Exabyte has already added Ecrix products to their site
so it looks like they will be keeping the produts; I hope they don't kill them.

If the Ecrix's slower speed isn't a problem, they definitely have a great price (well under $1,000) for the storage (33G uncompressed), plus I like the fact that it's not a helican scan tape (like VHS or DDS). To me it appears that the Ecrix products fill a different niche than Exabytes.

Companies buying other companies just to kill them (e.g. Mathworks recently did this) or suck the customer base dry (e.g. CA) really ticks me off. /end of sermon

Tony
     Looking to buy a CD-R or something for backups. - (marlowe) - (23)
         Sounds like you need a backpack CD-R - (Silverlock)
         Just ordered one for my dad. - (Another Scott)
         Flash: backups story, tape at 11 - (kmself) - (20)
             I've got a bad attitude against tape. - (marlowe) - (10)
                 Internals are really cheap. - (Another Scott)
                 That's not SCSI. DAT / DDS - (kmself)
                 DDS will live forever :-) - (pwhysall)
                 Cheapness of CD/RWs - (Ashton) - (4)
                     What's the shelf-life of hard disks? - (Meerkat) - (3)
                         Sounds sane to me. - (Ashton) - (1)
                             Being on the other side of the world and all... - (Meerkat)
                         The DeSitter method - (nking)
                 Philips CD-RW - (scoenye) - (1)
                     If you want a good CD-RW... - (inthane-chan)
             Interesting. - (static) - (8)
                 My impression is avoid OnStream, but others may know more - (tonytib) - (5)
                     AIT is really expensive. - (static)
                     OT: No good info, only responding - (broomberg) - (3)
                         BTW, did you see that Exabyte bought Ecrix? - (tonytib) - (2)
                             So, the question now is: - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                 Well, Exabyte has already added Ecrix products to their site - (tonytib)
                 OnStream has real problems. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     Thanks. - (static)

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