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Post #215,657
by imric
7/19/05 5:35:36 PM
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New _I_ mislead?
You tell me I can't read when you can't even decipher what you wrote?

Here:
"And, if we are going to be able to afford it, clinicians and hospitals are going to have to be impoverished."


cli\ufffdni\ufffdcian Pronunciation Key (kl-nshn) n.

  1. A health professional, such as a physician, psychiatrist, psychologist, or nurse, involved in clinical practice, as distinguished from one specializing in research.

  2. A health professional who practices at a clinic.


Why do I keep having to throw the dictionary at you?
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Post #215,660
by pwhysall
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7/19/05 5:54:22 PM
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New Free clue, knucklefuckers.
Take this to Politics.

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Post #215,661
by imric
7/19/05 5:57:59 PM
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New But I'm having too much fun HERE!
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  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


Post #215,664
by mmoffitt
7/19/05 6:02:39 PM
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New Crap. I c. My bad.
I had this argument with a few physicians my wife works with that we had at a party a couple of years ago. I've always refused to call a physician "doctor" and was arguing with the MDs that they were clinicians, not doctors; for, doctors wrote and defended dissertations and mds did not. After quite a few beers and a visit to m-w.com, they all agreed that "clinician" fit them better than "doctor". So, when I say "clinician" I mean "physician". One of them even introduces himself as "Clinician X" to patients in the ER now. ;0)

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Post #215,671
by imric
7/19/05 6:35:44 PM
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New OK
I still say the problem isn't greedy doctors. Or hospitals, for that matter.

It's the goddamned insurance companies, and their partners in 'crime', the lawyers.

I've worked in the insurance industry in one capacity or another for the last 23 years; the profit margins are obscene, regulation is minimal, and government falls all over itself to make insurance mandatory.

It's not just MDs of course, the insurance industry infects everything.







Having said that, one of the reasons I'm happy with my current job is that my current employer is one of the most moral insurers I've ever worked for - they allow employees a say in company policies, the CEO has informal chat sessions with low-level employees in order to get an idea about problems, and they don't rape their customers. Our economic landscape might be a LOT better if more companies were like this one. I plan to stay here a long time; I don't feel dirty workng here. I only hope they keep it up as they grow.
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  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


     Just for the record. - (imqwerky) - (134) - July 18, 2005, 12:18:43 PM EDT
         and she would make the trains run on time, yeah right - (boxley) - (15) - July 18, 2005, 12:39:06 PM EDT
             Man, you gotta stop listening to Faux News. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 12:46:23 PM EDT
                 who used Anthony Pelicano as their personal punch? -NT - (boxley) - July 18, 2005, 01:04:53 PM EDT
             Oh Puhhhhhleeeezzzzzzz - (imqwerky) - (12) - July 18, 2005, 01:07:09 PM EDT
                 point by point - (boxley) - (11) - July 18, 2005, 01:37:05 PM EDT
                     /me raises hand - (jb4) - (3) - July 18, 2005, 01:50:25 PM EDT
                         brunei, specifically ending a contract for mining in utah - (boxley) - (2) - July 18, 2005, 01:58:39 PM EDT
                             Would that Alabama governor happen to be named Wallace? -NT - (jb4) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 02:25:16 PM EDT
                                 /me makes whistling sound while gazing elsewhere -NT - (boxley) - July 18, 2005, 02:55:45 PM EDT
                     Hardly any points. Why can't you STOP believing that drivel? - (CRConrad) - (4) - July 18, 2005, 03:06:25 PM EDT
                         gee, is Rupert your dad? must be, you look like him - (boxley) - (3) - July 18, 2005, 03:33:03 PM EDT
                             It matters if it is my Dad you're fellating,or someone else? - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 18, 2005, 04:39:51 PM EDT
                                 :-) yer slipping, does juanita broderick ring a bell? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 05:48:38 PM EDT
                                     Nope. Well, maybe, but none of mine anyway. -NT - (CRConrad) - July 18, 2005, 05:55:11 PM EDT
                     Rebuttal - (imqwerky) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 04:43:21 PM EDT
                         Correction for you - (ben_tilly) - July 18, 2005, 04:49:40 PM EDT
         I don't care about Hillary's gender - (ben_tilly) - (75) - July 18, 2005, 03:13:51 PM EDT
             ROFL. - (mmoffitt) - (70) - July 18, 2005, 03:19:42 PM EDT
                 No, because it was beaurocratic crap. - (ben_tilly) - (69) - July 18, 2005, 03:23:17 PM EDT
                     Why you can't leave it to the states. - (mmoffitt) - (65) - July 18, 2005, 03:35:28 PM EDT
                         Swell. - (imric) - (53) - July 18, 2005, 03:40:13 PM EDT
                             Fuck you. - (mmoffitt) - (51) - July 18, 2005, 03:47:44 PM EDT
                                 You could say that about any profession - (drewk) - (6) - July 18, 2005, 04:01:34 PM EDT
                                     Fairly? - (pwhysall) - (3) - July 18, 2005, 04:03:47 PM EDT
                                         Those going into soldiering often don't have better options - (drewk) - (2) - July 18, 2005, 04:28:06 PM EDT
                                             What about the officers? - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 04:29:21 PM EDT
                                                 They get paid quite a bit better - (drewk) - July 18, 2005, 04:44:47 PM EDT
                                     Not necessarily - (imqwerky) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 05:01:51 PM EDT
                                         Priorities - (drewk) - July 18, 2005, 09:16:59 PM EDT
                                 And who the hell is gonna pay for the education? - (imric) - (34) - July 18, 2005, 04:11:09 PM EDT
                                     next time mikey gets sick, send him to the va - (boxley) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 04:17:37 PM EDT
                                         Yet another example of "supporting our troops" - (ben_tilly) - July 18, 2005, 04:25:14 PM EDT
                                     Ping-pong policy-making...? -NT - (admin) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 04:19:09 PM EDT
                                         You said it! -NT - (imric) - July 18, 2005, 04:19:52 PM EDT
                                     We manage alright over here... - (pwhysall) - (29) - July 18, 2005, 04:25:45 PM EDT
                                         Litigious fucks. - (imric) - (12) - July 18, 2005, 04:32:34 PM EDT
                                             If your hypothetical MD does as you say, - (mmoffitt) - (11) - July 18, 2005, 05:02:09 PM EDT
                                                 So you're against the Physician's union? - (imric) - (10) - July 18, 2005, 05:14:48 PM EDT
                                                     Huh? - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 19, 2005, 01:20:38 PM EDT
                                                         Yeah. Right. - (imric) - (8) - July 19, 2005, 02:34:43 PM EDT
                                                             You can't even fucking read, can you skippy? - (mmoffitt) - (7) - July 19, 2005, 04:36:18 PM EDT
                                                                 Ok, cretin. - (imric) - (6) - July 19, 2005, 04:57:17 PM EDT
                                                                     Again, you mislead. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - July 19, 2005, 05:04:56 PM EDT
                                                                         _I_ mislead? - (imric) - (4) - July 19, 2005, 05:35:36 PM EDT
                                                                             Free clue, knucklefuckers. - (pwhysall) - (3) - July 19, 2005, 05:54:22 PM EDT
                                                                                 But I'm having too much fun HERE! -NT - (imric) - (2) - July 19, 2005, 05:57:59 PM EDT
                                                                                     Crap. I c. My bad. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 19, 2005, 06:02:39 PM EDT
                                                                                         OK - (imric) - July 19, 2005, 06:35:44 PM EDT
                                         Amen, with caveat. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - July 18, 2005, 04:59:53 PM EDT
                                             The escalation of premiums is tied to the stock market - (ben_tilly) - (14) - July 18, 2005, 05:34:22 PM EDT
                                                 I know about Reserve requirements, but, - (mmoffitt) - (5) - July 19, 2005, 01:25:17 PM EDT
                                                     You may want to look into this further - (bepatient) - (4) - July 19, 2005, 05:39:57 PM EDT
                                                         Excellent point. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 19, 2005, 06:07:48 PM EDT
                                                             80 % of deaths occur in hospitals - let's tear 'em all down! - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 20, 2005, 03:19:42 AM EDT
                                                                 No, they're talking about terminal cases - (drewk) - (1) - July 20, 2005, 12:05:34 PM EDT
                                                                     A) Schiavo. B) Yeah, I know. C) Yup, as Fernet-Branca grappa - (CRConrad) - July 20, 2005, 03:40:30 PM EDT
                                                 A Flash of Brilliance! - (imqwerky) - (7) - July 19, 2005, 04:09:22 PM EDT
                                                     Aside: Know what the difference between God and an MD is? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 19, 2005, 04:37:25 PM EDT
                                                         Good one! -NT - (imqwerky) - July 19, 2005, 06:00:17 PM EDT
                                                         Wanna fix that habit they have? - (Ashton) - July 20, 2005, 11:35:13 PM EDT
                                                     Socialized insurance is what Canada has :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (3) - July 19, 2005, 04:43:46 PM EDT
                                                         Study this more I will, yessssssssss. - (imqwerky) - (2) - July 19, 2005, 06:07:13 PM EDT
                                                             Isn't there a bit of Gollum in there too, yessssssssss? :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - July 20, 2005, 02:59:10 AM EDT
                                                                 Wellll, it should have been more of a yeeeeeeeees. - (imqwerky) - July 20, 2005, 03:24:32 PM EDT
                                 "Patient, what would you like me to prescribe?" - (Arkadiy) - (8) - July 21, 2005, 09:45:40 PM EDT
                                     Only the best for me ;-) signed The patient Patient -NT - (bepatient) - July 22, 2005, 12:32:40 AM EDT
                                     And you think none of that happens when you pay them? - (mmoffitt) - (6) - July 22, 2005, 11:36:43 AM EDT
                                         And another - (inthane-chan) - (2) - July 22, 2005, 11:48:25 AM EDT
                                             Agreed. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 22, 2005, 11:55:52 AM EDT
                                                 Inconsistent with Puritannical roots.___(really!) Sorry. - (Ashton) - July 22, 2005, 05:41:22 PM EDT
                                         The above crap happened to 4 people - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2005, 08:10:51 AM EDT
                                             Ah, but isn't getting more if you pay more your ideal? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 3, 2005, 09:45:19 AM EDT
                                                 Yes, when it's properly labeled as such -NT - (Arkadiy) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:08:18 PM EDT
                             Soldiers get paid a lot less. - (pwhysall) - July 18, 2005, 03:52:18 PM EDT
                         People made that argument when Canada did it - (ben_tilly) - (10) - July 18, 2005, 04:31:31 PM EDT
                             Er, I don't think you're an idiot. - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 18, 2005, 05:04:28 PM EDT
                                 I think I've pointed this out before - (ben_tilly) - (8) - July 18, 2005, 05:32:32 PM EDT
                                     You misinterpretted my Kaiser question. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - July 19, 2005, 01:23:34 PM EDT
                                         As far as I can see I understood your point perfectly - (ben_tilly) - (6) - July 19, 2005, 04:50:29 PM EDT
                                             Where did I suggest Canada was like Kaiser? - (mmoffitt) - (5) - July 19, 2005, 05:06:49 PM EDT
                                                 Try here... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - July 19, 2005, 07:46:41 PM EDT
                                                     I didn't read it that way. - (Another Scott) - July 19, 2005, 08:01:20 PM EDT
                                                     I think he was *contrasting* Kaiser to (his image of) Canada -NT - (CRConrad) - (2) - July 20, 2005, 03:25:12 AM EDT
                                                         It sure doesn't look like that to me - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 20, 2005, 10:29:46 AM EDT
                                                             Your hypothesis has the weakness... - (CRConrad) - July 20, 2005, 10:48:55 AM EDT
                     Isn't Canada's health system having problems now? - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 18, 2005, 03:41:16 PM EDT
                         flame forum asshole take this to politics :-) -NT - (boxley) - July 18, 2005, 03:58:59 PM EDT
                         Part of a long-term unsustainable trend - (ben_tilly) - July 18, 2005, 04:21:09 PM EDT
             I don't know how much of a disaster it would have been - (jb4) - (3) - July 18, 2005, 04:54:36 PM EDT
                 The amount of bureaucracy created... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 18, 2005, 05:20:02 PM EDT
                     So in your mind bureaucracy == failure? - (jb4) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 06:01:12 PM EDT
                         No - (ben_tilly) - July 18, 2005, 08:27:32 PM EDT
         She's a fucking fraud, only out for #1! - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 18, 2005, 09:22:21 PM EDT
             ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - July 19, 2005, 12:48:42 AM EDT
         On not supporting HRC for president - (rcareaga) - (7) - July 18, 2005, 09:43:40 PM EDT
             ICLRPD (new thread) - (broomberg) - July 18, 2005, 10:25:43 PM EDT
             Precisam\ufffdnte boyo.. - (Ashton) - July 19, 2005, 01:10:22 AM EDT
             If she is so good why is every republican in the nation - (boxley) - (4) - July 19, 2005, 09:58:23 AM EDT
                 sure you do--you call the treat "WorldNetDaily" -NT - (rcareaga) - (3) - July 19, 2005, 10:30:23 AM EDT
                     I know that sometimes there is nuggets under those rocks - (boxley) - (2) - July 19, 2005, 10:56:35 AM EDT
                         Wooooo - (drewk) - (1) - July 19, 2005, 11:15:47 AM EDT
                             (it was ghost-written...) -NT - (jb4) - July 19, 2005, 03:06:04 PM EDT
         Troll Successful! - (imqwerky) - (7) - July 19, 2005, 01:12:52 AM EDT
             That's one way to try to end a thread... -NT - (ben_tilly) - (6) - July 19, 2005, 01:27:48 AM EDT
                 "Try"being the operative word. Doesn't usually work, though. - (CRConrad) - (4) - July 19, 2005, 02:30:01 AM EDT
                     Critter made me do it :-D - (imqwerky) - (2) - July 19, 2005, 02:40:29 AM EDT
                         (Never mind this one; duplicate) -NT - (CRConrad) - July 19, 2005, 02:56:13 AM EDT
                         Uh, Amy, couldja do us a favour, please? (new thread) - (CRConrad) - July 19, 2005, 02:55:13 AM EDT
                     Clue to planet Christian... - (ben_tilly) - July 19, 2005, 12:30:09 PM EDT
                 ObLRPD: "tilly wonders what the upper limit ... " - (drewk) - July 19, 2005, 10:55:45 AM EDT
         In The Inquirer fortune today. More on HRK. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 19, 2005, 10:43:32 AM EDT
             she is neither evil nor a leftist - (boxley) - (3) - July 19, 2005, 11:31:27 AM EDT
                 How do you explain that Moynahan suppored her? - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 19, 2005, 11:51:54 AM EDT
                     how many times was the word vindictive used? smoke/fire -NT - (boxley) - July 19, 2005, 11:57:43 AM EDT
                 Jesus H. - (mmoffitt) - July 19, 2005, 01:32:51 PM EDT
         Howabout we get someone new? - (tuberculosis) - (18) - July 19, 2005, 05:59:02 PM EDT
             That's how we get idiots in the White House - (ChrisR) - (8) - July 19, 2005, 06:17:51 PM EDT
                 As opposed to the solid performance of the former governors? - (tuberculosis) - (7) - July 19, 2005, 07:39:19 PM EDT
                     Jesse Ventura, Bob Hickel -NT - (boxley) - July 19, 2005, 09:16:52 PM EDT
                     former governors - (rcareaga) - (1) - July 19, 2005, 10:14:05 PM EDT
                         I stand corrected -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 20, 2005, 12:48:44 AM EDT
                     Clinton, governor of Alabama? I thought it was Arkansas... - (CRConrad) - (3) - July 20, 2005, 03:23:41 AM EDT
                         Ahem, AK is alaska AR Arkansas AZ arizona -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 20, 2005, 03:43:15 AM EDT
                             Ah, I see. Well, if there's ever anything *else*... -NT - (CRConrad) - July 20, 2005, 09:55:21 AM EDT
                         One of those southern A-a states -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 20, 2005, 11:40:53 AM EDT
             I think you aren't far off - (Ashton) - (8) - July 20, 2005, 03:40:39 AM EDT
                 Depressingly True, But there is hope. - (imqwerky) - (7) - July 20, 2005, 02:47:30 PM EDT
                     Don't kids usually try to be the opposite of their parents? -NT - (drewk) - (6) - July 20, 2005, 01:17:37 PM EDT
                         Point Taken - (imqwerky) - (3) - July 20, 2005, 03:21:47 PM EDT
                             /me sniggers - (inthane-chan) - (2) - July 20, 2005, 04:30:41 PM EDT
                                 He's already rebelled. - (imqwerky) - (1) - July 20, 2005, 04:47:18 PM EDT
                                     He's in the minority then - (ben_tilly) - July 20, 2005, 04:50:27 PM EDT
                         Usually failing in the end -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 20, 2005, 03:28:34 PM EDT
                         Same or opposite, little in between - (ben_tilly) - July 20, 2005, 04:35:30 PM EDT

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